World Cup Tournament World Cup of Soaps - Week 4

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  1. Angela Channing

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    The next 2 matches in the contest were drawn as follows:

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    The poll is now open for you to choose which soaps you would like to win each of the two matches to go through to the next round. You may vote for a winner of either match or for both matches.

    Stating the reasons for your choices is encouraged as this makes the contest more interesting and may help others in making their decisions. However, this is entirely optional and you can just state your chosen winner of each match if you prefer.

    The poll will close at midday on Tuesday 17th September 2019.
     
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  2. Mel O'Drama

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    Match Seven
    CPW was great in the beginning. Nice locations and good energy. And a terrific theme tune. But it all became rather forgettable.

    Peyton Place is the original prime time US soap. Heartfelt. Rich. Beautifully shot and scored.

    This is the easy part...
    Peyton Place




    Match Eight
    Oh nightmare.

    I love both series. Both have cult status and I have fond childhood memories of RTE.

    96 was less glossy and is less well known. But it's more confident with bold storylines and interesting characters. The middle years are as close to 70s Corrie as any other soap has (to my knowledge) ever got. And it's damned funny!

    Difficult choice, but it's....
    Number 96


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    R7 - Peyton Place as I remember my mum used to talk about it when i was little and she liked it

    R8 - not au fair with either of them - so I tossed a coin and return to eden won as it was tails
     
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  4. Willie Oleson

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    Match 7

    Short-lived as it was, CPW was my favourite soap of the 90s. In many ways, it was more "NuDynasty" than CWDynasty's ever going to be.
    But I had developed a fondness for PP before I had even seen a single episode, and then it also managed to exceed those high expectations.
    I hate to vote against the 90s soap, but it's no contest, really. I vote for PEYTON PLACE
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    Match 8

    I can imagine the potboiler mini-series having some kind of cult status, but with the sequel series they merely tried to create an American Soap In Australia.
    A miscalculation imho, because without that quintessential Australian "vibe" it didn't have that much to offer. It was nice enough, but nothing special.
    The competition (in this match anyway) had lots of interesting characters, it was totally bonkers and I just had never seen anything like this before.
    I vote for NUMBER 96


     
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  5. Angela Channing

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    Match 7 - Peyton Place - This series is one of the most significant in the history of TV broadcast history in that it invented the prime time soap opera and became a model for those that came afterwards. I've only watched a few episodes and I could tell that the production was beautifully filmed and scored, the characters well formed and the writing is first class. My mother used to watch this show and often used to compare it with Dallas and Falcon Crest when we both watched those shows together which is high enough praise for me to chose Peyton Place as my winner.

    Match 8 - Return To Eden - When this series was screened in the 1980s is was a phenomenon. It was more over the top and camp than Dynasty but with a more drama and intrigue. It was gripping TV and ended with one of the great cliffhangers of all the prime time soap operas of that era. Quite simply a brilliantly entertaining show and one of the best to come out of Australia.
     
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    Match # 7 - Peyton Place (U.S.A's pioneering soap opera of prime time)
    Match # 8 - Return To Eden (Australia's equivalent to Dynasty)
     
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  7. Emelee

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    Never seen Payton Place, never heard of Number 96, so the decision was easy...

    Match 7: Central Park West
    Match 8: Return to Eden
     
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  8. Michelle Stevens

    Michelle Stevens 'The Lovely Michelle'

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    Match 7- Payton Place
    Match 8- Return to Eden
     
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    1. Payton Place
    2. Return to Eden - this show, though short lived, was my absolute personal favourite tv show of all time. Rebecca Gilling was so good and so beautiful in this. Peta Toppano made such a glam villain. Warren Blondell is a god of handsomeness. It was so fast paced, you couldn’t miss an episode. It broke record ratings in Australlia, it’s been shown on French tv 11 times, it was a massive hit in NZ, Poland, Yugoslavia and Indonesia. I can recite the script of the mini series (should I admit that?). While I would have loved a second series I do wonder what’s they could have done that would have been better than the first series? It was at the time the most expensive show ever made in Australia. It was camp, great lines, original (and outlandish) storyline’s. It was 11 out of 10 for me. LOVED IT
     
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  10. Angela Channing

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    The Return To Eden cliffhanger ending was brilliant, as good as anything seen in Dallas, Falcon Crest, Dynasty or any of the other US prime time soap operas.

    Jilly tries to shoot Stephanie but it's Jake that gets shot dead while he attempted to take the gun from her and Stephanie is splattered with his blood. Thinking quickly, Jilly thrusts the gun in Stephanie's hand who is in shock and staggers out on to the top of the stairs and everyone at the party below sees her thinking she was the one who shot Jake.

    I always thought that was then end and only recently realised that after the series was cancelled they filmed additional scenes to wrap up the series and resolve the cliffhanger. I've not yet watched it so I still don't know who gets blamed for Jake's killing and if Jilly finally gets her comeuppance. I'm saving it for when I eventually rewatch the entire series.
     
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  11. Carrie Fairchild

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    Match 7 - I understand the love for Peyton Place. It was the first successful soap in primetime which set the mould for every primetime saga that's come since. I hear nothing but praise for it and I do hope someday to do the full Peyton Place experience - novel, film and TV series. However, Central Park West is one of my favourite soaps ever. I've spoken at length on here about how I think the first thirteen episodes are almost perfect soap opera. Sharp writing, memorable characters, amazing location shooting, chic fashion and a hot soundtrack. The second batch of post revamp episodes aren't great but they have their plusses like increased screen time for Lauren Hutton. I love this show so Central Park West was always going to get my vote in this match.



    Match 8 - like Peyton Place, I've heard great things about Number 96 but I've never seen a single episode. I have seen Return To Eden. I loved the miniseries in all it's campy glory. I struggled with the TV series as it felt it had overdosed on camp but I may revisit it at some point. But my love for the miniseries remains, so it's Return To Eden for this match, the below scene being one of the many reasons I love it.

     
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  12. Englishboy

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    Match 7) Peyton Place - I've chosen Peyton Place simply because I have never heard of Central Park West and also for it being one of tv's earliest soap operas.

    Match 8) Number 96 - I own and have watched all the episodes that have been released to DVD, unlike Return to Eden which I have never seen.

    It's my third favourite Australian drama serial after The Young Doctors and Prisoner even though its production values are very much of their time.

    It's very addictive viewing and it's not difficult to see why it was the highest rating show on Australian television back in the day and credited with saving the 10 network from bankruptcy.

    It's a good mix of drama and comedy and in that sense, as @Mel O'Drama rightly says, is very much like 1970s Corrie. In fact, I could imagine a lot of the characters of number 96 slipping right into the confines of that show.

    So many wonderful characters including the busy body, interfering Dorrie Evans (similar to Hilda Ogden in Corrie), Lucy and Alf Sutcliffe (similar to Rita and Len Fairclough on Corrie), Vera Collins (similar to Elsie Tanner on Corrie) the Whittakers and then the glorious "Mummy" and "Daddy" McDonald characters (my own personal favourites).

    Watching the DVD releases of Number 96, whilst it has its young sex symbols and starlets it is these older characters who make the show for me and hold my interest rather than the nubile, 20 something characters.

    The show is also ground breaking for writing bold stories and tackling issues and having sympathetically written gay characters in it a decade before Eastenders did the same thing on British television.

    Also noteworthy for its cracking and catchy signature tune.

    So, it's Number 96 that gets my vote.
     
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  13. JamesF

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    Carrie Fairchild sums up my thoughts very eloquently on this one!

    Match 7
    Peyton Place is on my long term watch list after all the praise it's been given on here. Ironically even though it's a shorter run than Sons and Daughters which I devoured, I'm almost intimidated to start. I feel like it will require a little more brain power and need to make sure I'm in the right zone. Cold winter nights might help...

    My vote goes to Central Park West and not just be default. I agree that it's a really witty, well shot and well written series for the first batch of episodes. The characters (bar Nikki) were very distinct; far more than equivalent Melrose Place of the same era. The follow up eps were more generic but Lauren Hutton loosened up some and got to have more fun with the character.

    Match 8
    This is slightly tougher. Even though I've only seen clips of Number 96, I struggle with Return to Eden. I adore the miniseries and return to it every few years - I remain disappointed that the reboot a few years back never materialised. However I couldn't stand the follow up series - it should have appealed to me but for all the camp excess, so much of it was dull. Drippy, poorly acted characters fawning over each other.

    On balance though I do have some love in the Return to Eden space so it gets my vote!
     
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  14. Mel O'Drama

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    On that note, here's a nice, very recent article about the series (which also mentions The Box and Prisoner):
    With Number 96, Australia brought queer people to TV decades before anyone else



    And a few of Dorrie's malapropisms:

    The Wit and Wisdom of Dorrie Evans

    It's not listed here, but I always chortle when I think of a line in the feature film version where she orders her husband to retrieve their "boney fido" marriage certificate from a chocolate box "underneath our last will and testicles".


    Now these really are out of UK soapland.



    I want somebody to make one of those 12 hour YouTube videos that plays the theme on a loop:
     
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    I really liked Arnold, and his relationship with the Godolfuses.
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    But then again, he wasn't exactly the teenybopper type.
     
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    In point of actual fact, so did I.



    He always reminded me of a younger, skinnier Harold Bishop.
     
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    Me too :D

    I've just discovered that the actor playing the part would've actually been 30 or 31 when the DVD episodes were made but that the character was supposed to have been a decade younger.

    To be honest, up until now, I'd always assumed that the actor's age (30 or 31) was also (at least) the character's age so, I've never regarded him as one of the show's 20 something sex symbols.
     
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    Match 7 - Peyton Place. As @Mel O'Drama said, it's the original.
    Match 8 - Number 96. A real ground-breaker. The waves it made at the time went beyond merely a TV show.
     
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    Game 7 - Peyton Place: A juggernaut for America, in the mid to late sixties. Originally shown in black and white the show would change to colour in 1966. There was a novel published 8 years before the T.V. series and a cinematic film starring Lana Turner from FALCON CREST fame, as the leading woman. Peyton Place T.V. had a life of five seasons. It was loosely based on the book and had Dorothy Malone, Ed Nelson, Mia Farrow and Ryan O'Neal in the cast. Actors William Smithers and Leigh Taylor-Young joined the programme in the later years. These two names are also known to eighties prime time fans as Jeremy Wendell and Kimberly Cryder respectively, in DALLAS.

    Game 8 - Return To Eden: Originally broadcast in September 1983 as a mini-series over three episodes (90 minutes each). The brand was rejuvenated in 1985 when work began on a T.V. series; which would see the light of day in February 1986 lasting until July, of the same year. RTE had the same components of wealthy lifestyle as it's American counterparts DALLAS, DYNASTY and FALCON CREST i.e. glamour; business wars, bitches, bastards, sex, affairs, back stabbing and the wild over the top storylines / plots. Rebecca Gilling, James Smillie, Peta Toppano and Daniel Abineri were the main stars of the series, with New Eden (a Sydney mansion) and Harper Mining as the focal points.
     
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    Match 7: Central Park West
    Match 8: Return to Eden
     
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