Who done it, if Julia did not?

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  1. Falcon Crest I

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    If Julia hadn't bludgeoned Carlo Agretti to death (the plot which ran through the 2nd season) then who should have been the culprit? Many confessions were filmed with other characters and reportedly Abby Dalton didn't even know, until a late stage. I suppose the shooting at Vickie's big day could still have occurred. Other possible culprits for the death of Carlo Grape King Agretti; Angela, Philip, Lance, Cole, Chao-Li and Richard.
     
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  2. Angela Channing

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    I never would have guessed it would be Julia because she was a major character and a key member of the Channing family. I thought it would be someone a bit more dispensable. I remember at the time thinking it would be Philip or Chao-Li. I would have made it Philip because I think he was the most easily replaceable as was the case later in the series when Greg took over his responsibilities.
     
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    Julia in the clinker and her subsequent escape provided Abby Dalton with substantial material, to showcase her acting capabilities. Season 3 was Julia's/Abby's finest time. In a way she had reached her peak. Anything after the third season was going to get it difficult to surpass for drama and creativity. I also thought it was a shocker when Julia was revealed as the killer of old man Agretti. From the others listed perhaps Philip or how about Lance? Would the latter have went down the insanity route like his mother?


    Angela and Chao-Li are discussing their pet, the falcon Apollo, (a scene from season 2, 1982 - '83):

    Angela: "Apollo looks so harmless in captivity."

    Chao-Li: "Not to me!"

    Angela: "Ha! You're right. If we set him free he'll resort to his killer instincts."

    Chao-Li: "I'd rather cook him first!"

    Angela: "Oh now Chao-Li!"
     
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  4. Angela Channing

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    I don't remember this scene but it so funny. Chao-Li and Angela were such a great double act.
     
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    Lance because he discovered Julia had a few dates with Carlo and also Carlo's planned takeover got him mad.
     
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    Even though he was important in the show I would plump for Lance. His reveal as being the killer might not have been as as shocking as Julia though.
     
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    This would have been brilliant:
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    "I did not know...he would be killed by you!!!"
    "Moi? For Henri Denault´s sake...I don´t think so...
    Sheriff Robbins, I´d say this poor man doesn´t have
    his papers in order...Have him arrested and sent to Singapore..."

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    ...Where he became the most famous plastic surgeon in the world
    after giving a Steven Carrington a new face. Every man asked him
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    couple actually was, because they were having an affair, though the
    Dienasty writers refused to include this part in their scripts...​
     
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    Now seriously. I think that Julia being the killer was the typical Dienasty cliffhanger before they started to cook them so badly. It was a perfect season-ending and an awful season-opener. I may be in the minority here (along with Miss Piggy) but I think that anything re Julia in the third season was hilariously bad, including the nun with the gun episode.

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    "I should have taken these clothes from
    the closet that said "clean"..."​

    The springhouse scene would have worked 1.000 times better if Julia had not been wearing the (probably already stinky) nun habits in it. Come on, what kind of fugitive would have kept wearing the habits after the church scene? Julia was bonkers but not stupid, not even by the Falcon Crest standards. Making her Carlo´s lover was a false move and a bit of a retcon too.

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    "Oh my Dionysus! That Agretti guy´s
    got a really fat ugly ass..."​


    The prison scenes were an absolute filler and Angela´s ghost "appearance" seemed out of an episode of "Soap". I did like the Lucas subplot but everything else was over-the-top even for a supersoap aired after "Dallas" every Friday...I find surprising that the show was renewed after that season and I disagree with everybody who thinks Season 3 was the last good season (!!).

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    Of course, without Julia being the killer there would have been no plane cliffhanger and no cast firings...and Jacqueline would have probably been still around, planning dirty things with nazis, baby-traders and aliens. Not a bad thought though. I could have done without the boring Dr. Ranson who turned the show into a "St. Elsewhere" spin-off. But at least Terry became a rich beech when he died...

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    Therefore, I consider that, right from the plane accident on, everything went on to improve on "Falcon Crest", until the very climactic car accident in the San Francisco Bay...This makes 2+3= 5 great seasons of a supersoap, almost the same number of "really good" seasons of "Dallas" and "Knots Landing". Lorimar had a special touch with its shows...I´m not sure the fans of the Spelling-produced soaps can say the same thing about them...
     
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    Maggie, but the sheriff would consider it an "obvious act of self-defense".
     
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    I recall at the time that Abby Dalton was watching the show that Friday and she said her jaw just dropped when she saw them run her confession scene (they all shot one, naturally) and that she was the killer. She was stunned. I wonder who she thought the killer had been.

    If you pay close attention, it appears that even the writers didn't decide who'd dun it until midway through the season. So it's possible they came up with the idea of "Who Killed Carlo?" before arriving at the killer's identity.

    Who else could it have been? Maybe Carlo committed suicide, and then Cole attempted suicide in the garage. So the big reveal in the FC living room was "who is the most suicidal"?

    Season 5 needed a mysterious killer to focus things.
     
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