1. Musical Secret Santa

    It's a Secret!

    Click here for more details

    Dismiss Notice

What was your opinion of Clayton Farlow?

Discussion in 'Dallas - The Original Series' started by lbf522, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. lbf522

    lbf522 Soap Chat Active Member

    Message Count:
    114
    Trophy Points:
    277
    Location:
    United States
    Ratings:
    +142
    Member Since:
    2016
    No offense to Howard Keel who was a both a good actor and singer but I am wondering what you felt about his character.

    First of all, they should have introduced Jock's family. I would have liked to have met Jason before Jack and Jamie.

    That aside, remarying Ellie was too soon and thought they should have kept her like Victoria Barkley.

    I understood JR not liking him since Clayton did keep his son from him and I agreed with JR whenever he referred to Clayton as an outsider. He did not belong there.

    Also, the writers did not seem to know what to do with Clayton. Yes there was that Laurel
    Ellis and Ellie worrying about his heath.

    That's my take what did you guys think?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  2. KayLloyd

    KayLloyd Soap Chat Fan

    Message Count:
    329
    Trophy Points:
    377
    Location:
    United States
    Ratings:
    +445
    I lost all respect for Clayton when he knew that Bobby needed to focus on saving his marriage to Pam but still unfairly placed responsibility for Miss Ellie's well-being on his shoulders. Responsibility that was Clayton's. Clayton was perfectly capable of overseeing the post fire repairs to Southfork himself and Ellie would have been just fine with that because she would have wanted what was best for Bobby.
     
    Last edited: Sep 12, 2018
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. Swami

    Swami Soap Chat Warrior

    Message Count:
    5,479
    Trophy Points:
    3,636
    Location:
    Ballymoney, Co Antrim
    Ratings:
    +4,906
    Member Since:
    April 2006
    Wasn't anywhere near as good a character as Jock.

    He kept John Ross from JR as mentioned earlier, which even though Sue Ellen was staying at Southern Cross at the time, Clayton shouldn't have been taking sides.

    Swami
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  4. Via The Void

    Via The Void Soap Chat Fan

    Message Count:
    461
    Trophy Points:
    377
    Ratings:
    +774
    I absolutely loved Howard Keel as Clayton.

    Adored the character & the actor.

    You always knew were you were with Clayton & I loved that.

    Rest In Peace Howard Keel. :)
     
    • Like Like x 4
  5. Lastkidpicked

    Lastkidpicked Soap Chat Active Member

    Message Count:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    881
    Location:
    United States
    Ratings:
    +472
    Member Since:
    2008
    I love Howard Keel's voice. I could listen to him read a phone book.

    But I think the writers didn't quite know what to do with him.

    They could have Clayton, Punk Anderson, and others of Jock's friends interact more. That could have given us some insight into the older generation and how they built their businesses.
     
    • Like Like x 5
    • Agree Agree x 2
  6. Michelle Stevens

    Michelle Stevens 'The Lovely Michelle'

    Message Count:
    5,944
    Trophy Points:
    3,142
    Location:
    USA
    Ratings:
    +8,690
    Member Since:
    January 25, 2011
    I really liked Clayton. He wasn't perfect but was an honorable man and good husband to Miss Ellie.

    I agree, the writers didn't know what to do with him over time, but I was glad he stayed around until the end of the original series. I do wish he would have shared a scene with Jock before Jim Davis passed away.
     
    • Like Like x 5
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. Snarky's Ghost

    Snarky's Ghost Soap Chat Oracle

    Message Count:
    4,401
    Trophy Points:
    5,636
    Location:
    Haunting that cozy cellar under Falcon Crest
    Ratings:
    +5,749
    Member Since:
    September 2000
    Clayton was very refined.

    [​IMG]
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • Agree Agree x 1
  8. Barbara Fan

    Barbara Fan Super Moderator Staff Member

    Message Count:
    3,284
    Trophy Points:
    7,368
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Scotland
    Ratings:
    +7,618
    Gender:
    female
    Member Since:
    2000
    Loved him and far preferred him to Jock

    I just wish Miss Ellie had met him back in the day when she was a teenager and dumped Digger for Clayton

    He was an honorable man, and he wasn't the chauvinist that Jock was - a woman's place is in the bedroom, etc - he hadn't fathered an illegitimate child and he hadn't kept his first marriage a secret and lied and deceived her. He also wasn't as ruthless in business.

    Howard Keel was the perfect man to replace Jock and a better actor IMHO.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  9. Payton Cross

    Payton Cross Soap Chat Well-Known Member

    Message Count:
    665
    Trophy Points:
    682
    Location:
    Netherlands
    Ratings:
    +1,241
    Member Since:
    2008
    I totally agree with you @Barbara Fan, personally I found Clayton always a better man for Miss Ellie, both characters were very caring but could also be very hard and straightforward, while Jock could sometimes seemed very blunt in my eyes. But maybe that's also because I started watching Dallas when it was already in their fifth season on tv.

    So yes in my opinion, i really liked Howard Keel as Clayton Farlow, he was always one of my favorite male charactors of Dallas.
     
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2018
    • Like Like x 2
  10. Chris2

    Chris2 Soap Chat Active Member

    Message Count:
    103
    Trophy Points:
    174
    Location:
    United States
    Ratings:
    +152
    He hated charlatans.
     
  11. Mustard

    Mustard Soap Chat Active Member

    Message Count:
    297
    Trophy Points:
    377
    Ratings:
    +492
    Member Since:
    23 October 2014
    Clayton is great, a more gentlemenly version of Jock, yet didn't take crap from anyone and had a vicious temper when riled enough. I laugh whenever I think of that scene in Season 7 DVD when he comes charging up to J.R.'s office after getting reports that somebody was looking into his (Clayton's) background.
     
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  12. Rove

    Rove Soap Chat Dream Maker

    Message Count:
    1,656
    Trophy Points:
    892
    Location:
    Newcastle, New South Wales, Australia
    Ratings:
    +2,809
    The addition of Howard Keel as Clayton Keel was a stroke of genius in my opinion. I've never understood the view from Dallas viewers Clayton was simply a replacement for Jock. In my eyes they were two different characters however it's a real shame Jock and Clayton never had the chance to interact as both delivered tremendous screen presence. Clayton's installment into the Ewing household is exactly how we react when a future stepmother or stepfather appears. The families reaction when Miss Ellie and Clayton surprise the Ewing clan while enjoying their evening meal is natural. I'm talking about the scene when Clayton takes Jock's place as head of the table.

    I also feel Clayton (Howard Keel) receives rough treatment because of the shenanigans occurring with the recast of Miss Ellie. Even for an accomplished actor like Howard it would be difficult to accommodate such a radical change. Howard and Barbara Bel displayed genuine warmth whereas I wasn't getting this at all with Donna Reed. I agree with sentiments above where the writers didn't seem to know what to do with Clayton at times but from the Miss Ellie recast onwards Dallas lurched from one crisis to another and well by the end it ran out of puff.
     
  13. Snarky's Ghost

    Snarky's Ghost Soap Chat Oracle

    Message Count:
    4,401
    Trophy Points:
    5,636
    Location:
    Haunting that cozy cellar under Falcon Crest
    Ratings:
    +5,749
    Member Since:
    September 2000
    Some people think Jock was treated badly by Ellie. That Jock supposedly loved her more than she did him, and that she took advantage of it in some way.

    Not my opinion, I'd like to point out.
     
  14. Christophersmom

    Christophersmom Soap Chat Member

    Message Count:
    19
    Trophy Points:
    70
    Location:
    Tennessee
    Ratings:
    +49
    Member Since:
    Dec 2009
    I liked Clayton He was a good match with Ms Ellie after Jock died ..
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. Mustard

    Mustard Soap Chat Active Member

    Message Count:
    297
    Trophy Points:
    377
    Ratings:
    +492
    Member Since:
    23 October 2014
    .
    I'm on the Donna Reed season in my Dallas marathon right now. Her relationship with Howard Keel's Clayton seems warm enough, but it does lack that extra spice and natural warm enthusiasm that Barbara Bel Geddes had with Keel. Keel was excellent during the bit where Jessica was around at Southfork. I don't know about you, but my biggest criticism of Reed's Miss Ellie is a lack of strong emotion in her portrayal. Only her chemistry with Susan Howard seems strong among the cast. Susan Howard clicks very well with both Miss Ellies.

    There's a bit of truth in that argument. It's not a secret that one of the big reasons that Miss Ellie married Jock was because Jock had the money to save Southfork Ranch, and that Digger was her first love but undependable, so Digger wasn't marriage material for Miss Ellie. Miss Ellie also said that she and Jock had to really work at their marriage at first, which suggests that they weren't particularly in love originally, although Jock spoke of being in competition with Digger for Ellie, so Jock had a certain attraction to his friend's girlfriend.

    Miss Ellie is a very strong woman herself, and capable of pursuing her interests very well. Jock could easily have settled for a softer woman who would cater to him more easily, and let Southworth-owned Southfork go bust. Miss Ellie expressed a few times in the show how so many bad things happened for her family in the 1930s, and expressed her disappointment when recalling how her father Aaron Southworth left Southfork to Ellie's brother Garrison in his will, thus expressing the sexism of the time, as Garrison was a wanderer like Digger (except at sea) while Ellie really loved Southfork and the land very strongly.

    On a purely personal level, taking business out of the equation, it seems that Digger is Ellie's big love. In her dark moment after the mastectomy and while still angry at Jock, she went to a sober Digger. She also told Digger a few times that she never regretted anything (i.e. marrying Jock).

    Remember during Season 5 DVD, when J.R. had completely snookered himself by stockpiling 5 million barrels of the Farlow's crude oil and was then stuck in a falling market with Vaughn Leland, Cliff Barnes and the Cartel waiting to finish him off? Miss Ellie bailed him out totally, making a deal with Clayton despite taking a $10 million loss compared to what J.R. had paid, which is better than a $25 million loss or more, which would result in default and a foreclosure by Leland, Barnes and the Cartel. Even though J.R. objected to Miss Ellie taking a $10 million loss, he was freed from his debt troubles totally, so he should have been thanking his mother strongly, and he did laugh once he was alone in the room.

    Yes, Miss Ellie was very strong. I believe Bobby said once "I was raised by a strong mother, and a very tough father".
     
    Last edited: Sep 16, 2018
    • Like Like x 1
  16. Victoriafan3

    Victoriafan3 Soap Chat Well-Known Member

    Message Count:
    506
    Trophy Points:
    1,984
    Location:
    New zealand
    Ratings:
    +1,277
    Member Since:
    About 2005
    I liked Clayton too. Sorry I preferred him to Jock. He was still strong but more a gentleman and nicer. Until after Pam left (which I don’t count anyway lol) he treated Miss Ellie well. Howard was good in his part. He had some good scenes with Sue Ellen aswell. Very well written second-time around golden generation love for Ellie and Clayton :)
     
    • Like Like x 3
  17. Jon Ewing Jr.

    Jon Ewing Jr. Soap Chat Member

    Message Count:
    45
    Trophy Points:
    124
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Ratings:
    +48
    I never really cared for him but I loved it when he rolled down those stairs after punching JR. I just wish that one time he would have gotten his ass stomped good.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
  18. Billy Wall

    Billy Wall Soap Chat Newbie

    Message Count:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Buffalo, NY
    Ratings:
    +2
    Gender:
    Male
    He and Jock did appear in the same episode once though.

    But I have to correct some people. JR wouldn’t have liked Clayton no matter what and he didn’t exactly keep John Ross from JR.
     
  19. Kenny Coyote

    Kenny Coyote Soap Chat Fan

    Message Count:
    367
    Trophy Points:
    377
    Location:
    Maryland
    Ratings:
    +518
    No he wasn't. Clayton never had a scene as good as the scene with Jock telling Bobby "Nobody gives you power. Real power is something you take"!

    It would have been fun to see Jock handle that situation with John Ross being kept from his family when Jock returned from his trip if he hadn't died, wouldn't it?
     
  20. Kenny Coyote

    Kenny Coyote Soap Chat Fan

    Message Count:
    367
    Trophy Points:
    377
    Location:
    Maryland
    Ratings:
    +518
    It would have been damn near impossible to find anyone to play a character similar to Jock who could have compared well to the work Jim Davis did because he was just so good. I don't know that there is even one show on TV today that has a character as interesting, as tough, and has as good a mind for business as the character Jock Ewing. If there is a character on TV show that's still in its original run right now who can match up well to Jock in terms of those qualities such as the ability to kick ass in a fistfight just as well as his ability to kick ass in business, and at the same time be such a good father that he has sons who look up to him almost as a god, I'd like to know who it is.

    I'm pretty sure I remember reading that Howard Keel wrote in his autobiography that he found the Clayton character boring because as he put it he got stuck playing "that goody-goody Clayton Farlow." I'll bet Dallas went that route with the Clayton character because they knew if they tried to create another Jock-type character, whoever played it would have compared so unfavorably with the brilliance Jim Davis played Jock that it just would have reminded people "This guy is no Jock Ewing." So they chose to have Miss Ellie's next husband be very different and considering all of that, and that there was only one Jock Ewing, I think Howard Keel did a very good job playing Clayton. If Miss Ellie had to get married again, I'm glad the role of that character went to Howard Keel.
     

Share This Page