Watching Season 8.

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  1. Gatsbyesque

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    I’m caught up on shows and bored, so Amazon prime having Dynasty available in its entirety has given me an opportunity to re-watch some things casually here and there.

    Well, I cherry picked something towards the end of season7 and wound up watching consistently, so I am in the beginning of season eight now and I-

    Whew! Lemme tell you... this season is a HOOT. Everything is just so ridiculous.

    I’m kind of hooked. For the WRONG reason.
     
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    Well... it's still Dynasty, no matter what season... ;)
     
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    It is HORRIBLE. lol
     
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    At least it's in HD now and looks great. You could turn off the volume, play some chilly music and enjoy those beautiful images. :D
     
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    Isn't season 8 the season when they went hardcore with the vaseline though?

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    Yes. At least the ruddy, splotchy, incredibly grainy look with which late-Season 6 thru early Season 8 were originally broadcast could be corrected (even if it took decades) but Season 8 had the additional complication of close-ups (of Linda and Joan in particular) which were laughably blurry and were part of the original photography as opposed to the lab work, and therefore are unlikely to be corrected.

    Paulsen put a stop to it three episodes in.
     
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    In HD??? Since when??? I thought only season 5 is available in HD
     
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    The whole show was remastered in HD, they recently finished this project with season 1, which strangely was tranferred at the end of it.
    But as far as i know, only seasons 2, 3, 5 and 6 so far are actually available on i-tunes in some countries. Why they won't offer the remaining seasons as well in HD is beyond me, but the whole show is available in HD from CBS now.
     
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    I see season 8 as the Diet-caffeine free Coke Version of the cherry coke season 6, season 8 did redo some of season 6’s storylines.
     
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    Season 8 seems to be a poor cousin of season 4. There are many similarities between these two. Storylines with younger generation are equal to the "main three". Blake, Krystle and Alexis are not leading characters like they were in seasons 5 or 6. Krystle is involved in Blake's business affairs. There is a trial over a baby. One character has a drug problem. Unexplained phenomenoms: phone calls from beyond a grave and UFO abduction. Leslie sleeping around like Tracy. Alexis is tried to be shot. One man tries to ruin Alexis and the last scene is an aftermath of his scheme (Sean and McVane). Strange headaches resulting in an escape (Fallon and Krystle).
     
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    Yes and at the end of both seasons the Carringtons are suspected to sell weapons to foreign countries.
     
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    It actually doesn’t look this bad anymore. Did they fix it? Or have my eyes adjusted to the cinematognanigans?
     
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    Interestingly, after finishing it, I have a weird fondness for it. Like, it’s ridiculous left and right… Mostly in ways that could’ve been corrected. But something about it was legitimately enjoyable. Season 8 of Dynasty is good trash.

    And in an odd way, I care about the characters again. It seems like the first time in a long time they were treating them like they actually cared about them. There’s humanity for Sammie Joe - thank you, GOD. It’s been forever without it!!! Except Leslie, who started as a fiery character, and sadly devolved into a mealymouthed climber. She joined the cavalcade of Dynasty characters who was deemed as “too low in life to be genuine, so let’s destroy her” by the writers.

    Sean was truly odd, but rather compelling. The actor knew how to bring a sense of danger — far fetched moments between he and Alexis and funny accent aside. Why it made any sense for Alexis to just waltz on back to The Carlton with no security, no changed locks, no nothing, right after telling Blake who Sean really is and establishing the real and palpable danger he represents is beyond me. And then she acts surprised when her HUSBAND walks in and sits down in THEIR home, same way he always would, and suspiciously attempts to leave when he arrives. ‘Haps you shouldn’t have gone home, sis. (And wouldn’t that have made for some good entertainment? Blake suggests that Alexis stay at the mansion before he leaves because they both now know how dangerous Shawn is and they are obviously plotting against him, together. Alexis is supposed to go to another hotel within a couple of days, but takes advantage of Blake being in Natumbe and stays at the mansion causing problems and getting into it with Krystle while Blake is away. At least Krystle would’ve gotten some good scenes out of this. Sean comes to the mansion and kidnaps Alexis back to the Carlton, which would make more sense as to how she wound up alone with him again.)

    The election. Ha. I just can’t. So, let’s not. NEXT!

    Fallon and Jeff. Fallon is getting some business acumen. Fi. Na. Lly. The breakdown of her insufferable marriage with Jeff is hard to watch because it is so implausible that original Fallon would’ve dealt with him for even a day. And his textbook lack of compassion was so overwritten and overplayed as to make him totally detestable. And then he sleeps with eeeeeeverybody and still tries to come off as some kind of victim.

    Jeff doesn’t have a supportive bone in his body and doesn’t even seem to know who the hell he married. The rewriting of Fallon as simply a pampered princess who has always ALLOWED her husband to smother her is not accurate. That’s Randall. That’s NOT Fallon. And since her memory has long been back, the writing NEEEDS to act accordingly. But it’s not.

    Steven’s macho exec act is also bothersome. Steven is basically a jerk. A raving one at that. He’s Adam (and Adam is likeable all season - go figure). This is not Steven. The writing is literally projecting this onto him so that they can have a business triangle story between the grown kids that ties into Sammie Joe’s stuff and Steven’s repressed gayness. I don’t like it. They made him unlikeable and that wasn’t supposed to happen in the process of this.

    Adam, Adam, Adam... Boy, you are so crazy. I actually grew to like the idea of him and Dana as long-lost lovers with a complicated past they just can’t get past. And I found myself wanting them to win. Yes, a lot of ridiculous things happen. But it is heartbreaking to see him hinge all of his happiness on one thing, be in love with a woman who knows how to check his vices and can nurture him into something better than he is, but watch it be torn away from him. Like they literally ripped his child out of his arms. He alienated the woman who was IN LOVE with him back when he was the troubled, drug-addled nobody, Michael Torrance. Who could’ve possibly loved Adam more than she did? It’s painful to see them hurt! Alas... And Alexis’ notoriously poor judgement of character and toxic mothering reared it’s ugly head again in that one. That Dana isn’t allowed to rightly rip her to shreds in one good scene is also criminal.

    And is it me, or does Dana look like a Leslie, whereas Leslie looks like a Dana?

    Sadly, Linda was easily one of the worst things about the season. It is criminal what they did to her character. She does not say ANYTHING that’s not in a pleading, half-cry sort of tone. She is OBSESSED with the governor’s race, as though it’s the most important thing ever *to her* that Blake be governor. Blake props her up and uses her talents, whenever he wants to. He dismisses her whenever he wants to... She’s really a prop this season. She’s paranoid about Alexis. She doesn’t have a thing of her own to work on. Her entire passion in life is whatever helps Blake get what Blake wants in the moment, because Blake is Go-... Well, you get it. It’s sad. She deserves more, and I would’ve hightailed it out of there, too.
     
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    And you would have thought that by Season 8, they would have learned to stop doing that to her. But, DYNASTY being DYNASTY, they just make it worse.

    As I've often asserted, if you lose Krystle (indeed lost long ago) you lose DYNASTY. No matter how much fun Alexis might be.

    I'm sure I've said this in multiple posts in multiple threads: I at least like how Season 8 relaxed a bit. I attribute it to the producers finally giving up, but it helped. A bit.

    I swear I would have turned her clairvoyant healer for S8. I would've. I would've done it.

    Krystle essentially has no meaning if she doesn't eventually turn holy psychic. It has to happen.

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    Even DALLAS/KNOTS' creator lamented that "Linda and Joan don't even seem like the stars of the show anymore" by 1987 --- and that's the competition talking!

    Obviously, the campaign for governor needed to be smarter, and with some actual politics (verboten in the '80s) thrown in. Krystle's investigation into Alexis "killing" Cecil should have turned up some testimony from his lawyer's partners that Alexis pressured Cecil's lawyer into changing his will at the last moment (the show seemed to think they actually did this, but it went nowhere) and once Blake pressures Krystle to drop it, she then hands the material over to Dominique to finish the job.

    I want the Olde Englishe Faiyrrre to be a larger event, with a carnival of zoo animals behind the hotel, and a psychic's booth (either Esther or Aaron in a wizard's hoodie) dishing Adriannic admonitions and warnings.

    Kirby briefly returns with Adam's child (and the surrogate story never happens) and, of course, runs off with it. Sean's appearance in Denver, marriage to Alexis, and his attempt to assassinate her is not just over vengeance about what happened to Joseph, but there's some external encouragement, too. (I always like the Moldavian scenario, Matthew Blaisdel, Constance Colby, Queen Mother Judith Anderson who didn't exist, and Dr. Toscanni all mixed in to all the worst behind-the-scenes scandals).

    The take-over of the mansion which started the season would not have happened because they would have done the cancelled avalanche cliffhanger instead. That cliffhanger could shake loose Fallon#1 where the abominable snow monster had been holding her captive for three years. (Okay, maybe just a mountain man -- or maybe Walter Lankershim holed up in a cave somewhere??)

    Steven#2 was a contemptible jerk much of the time, but after the massacre, I wanted Steven#1 back... In either event, I'd give him an HIV misdiagnosis (is that cheating?) after Chris Deegan shows up emaciated in end stage AIDS. Steven wonders if he contracted his HIV from Ted Dinard. Steven's boyfriend, somebody way better than Bart Fallmont, tests HIV negative. At first, it's actually Alexis who turns cold to Steven after his viral status is revealed, his father is much warmer. By season's end, Steven leaves for Washington, DC, for better HIV treatment and a Spotted Owl Defense Fund agency job.

    Dana is, quite obviously, the closest thing to a real partner Adam can get. And yet he'll still screw it up.

    I would have Leslie's "I Am Alexis Junior" routine go too far, the younger woman essentially stalking her mentor.

    For some reason, I want to see an episode with family in New Orleans for Mardi Gras, even if they have to fake it in the studio. I also wanted to see the Carrington family in their stretch limo, Alexis in tow, get lost either outside New Orleans or on the bad side of Denver, when the car gets a flat, and the entire family gets chased and assaulted by the denizens of the ghetto (Oooooo --- social commentary!).

    I also want to see a mid-season four episode Christmas blizzard story arc, but one far more sumptuous than the soulless, flat-lighted Yuletide feces they flung at us back in Season 5.

    I envision Blake's first fiancée, now a Georgetown high roller in Washington politics, who shows up as an asset to Blake's campaign, a mentor of sorts, a kind of Pamela Harriman character. She gets along respectfully with Krystle. But when his former betrothed is killed during the assassination attempt, Blake eventually discovers she paid Sean to kill both herself and Alexis (the woman who'd schemed to push her out of Blake's bed as a teenager). She'd been diagnosed with pancreatic cancer and was going to die anyway, while Alexis is merely grazed.

    Alexis obtains a porno tape from Sammy Jo's various excursions in California; it's used to embarrass Blake during his political race. Alexis also funds Sammy Jo's ventures into independent film stardom, and makes sure the porn tape is released just as Sammy Jo is set to receive an award. So, with the help of a corrupt stage hand who hands Sammy Jo a tainted drink before she goes on stage to accept her trophy, she loses it and has a Pia Zadora style fit on cable-TV.

    ColbyCo is secretly fracking underneath the estate, causing localized earthquakes and the mansion rocking significantly at times. (Fracking wasn't discussed much at the time publicly, but it was an issue -- it's one of the potentially goods plots nuDALLAS used).

    I also picture a platonic friendship cropping up between Krystle and Alexis' hunky campaign manager; Alexis is jealous of course, and has photos taken of he and Krystle together. There's nothing to it, but Alexis correctly predicts Blake will be jealous anyway, and she makes sure the story gets into the tabloid press, then the mainstream media... It's silly, but it's enough for Krystle to recommend recusing herself from the campaign (Blake aloofly doesn't encourage otherwise), Alexis enthusiastically recommends all her voters turn their support to Blake after the assassination attempt, and they have their business in Natumbe together which is ultimately successful.

    Krystle then ventures back to Ohio, finds herself at barbecues and "decent normal people" parties, and her headaches and visions intensify so she winds up healing the neighbors and countryfolk --- the story played absolutely straight. Eventually, these gossipy stories get back to Denver, which Alexis pushes thru her contacts in the local media to humiliate Blake (although he's not suspicious at first) with the intention of hurting his campaign but mostly his marriage. Krystle eventually returns home, and the quiet tension is so great that you know that she's about to leave him again --- especially since he and Alexis are now on such good terms.

    Sean freaks out in a Limon, Colorado motel, shoots himself (perhaps accidentally) with his arsenal of weapons -- the law is after him, after all.

    While leaving Colorado herself, Dominique runs into the couple at Stapleton airport whom almost gave their baby's heart to Krystina last year, but were talked out of it by Alexis who'd wanted to -- and did -- ride in on a white horse and provide her alternative black market baby heart. A switch that was ultimately successful, but Krystina lost valuable time which almost killed her.

    The incident in Alexis' Carlton suite wouldn't be Sean with a firearm, but Krystle who shows up (while Blake and Alexis, in her pink bathrobe, are having a small celebration over their success in Africa and with Blake about to present a huge cheque to his ex-wife) with a notarized affidavit attained by Dominique from the above-mentioned couple. Blake becomes enraged, Alexis pulls a pistol, a physical fight ensues between Blake and Alexis, a migraine meltdown occurs with Krystle before picking up the derringer, and shooting at Alexis, only grazing the shoulder, and Krystle runs off. (Remnants of JR and Sue Ellen and Jack Scalia, but better).

    Early in S9, Blake blackmails Alexis into silence over the events in her hotel suite, threatening her with exposure for this-and-that and not giving her the Denver-Carrington cashier's cheque she was expecting.

    Anybody in??

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    Allow me to go over things...

    YES. :D

    I'm surprised you didn't bring up your idea of Sammy Jo pushing ex-Prince Michael into one of the tiger cages. But I don't care for that idea much anyway - but that's only because it means Princey's around for too long. I say he dies in Season 6, though there are many ways he could do that:

    A) in the Moldavian Massacre
    B) he discovers the truth about fake!Krystle, and Joel kills him to stay silent
    C) this is done after the show's original idea of having Amanda accidentally shooting Dex: Amanda accidentally shoots Michael, and Duchess Elena claims it was no accident, but Dex was also a witness and comes to Amanda's rescue, which begins their own affair
    D) borrowing your idea that Michael has Sammy Jo kidnapped to abort the child she's conceived by him, it is SJ who brings about his untimely demise, either by pushing him in oncoming traffic (again borrowing from another idea of yours) or shooting him... and perhaps Amanda still takes the rap, thanks to Duchess Elena leaping to conclusions

    I still love the idea of Adam and Dana returning from their Hawaiian honeymoon to the mansion, with him blissfully carrying his bride over the threshold...

    ...only to see, sitting on the stairs with a 3-year-old boy in her arms, Kirby Anders. Kirby takes the boy by the hand and walks him up to Adam, ignoring Dana.

    "Hello, Adam. This is our son."

    I'd have Joseph still be alive anyway (imagine his input during the Kirby/Adam/Dana triangle), and Sean wouldn't be his son. Maybe just some random schmo who's out for revenge against something Alexis did during her 16-year exile or something...

    Meh, sure.

    No.

    Maybe. Sounds doable. Though I remember somebody else had an idea that there be a love-triangle between Steven, Sammy Jo and Josh. I mean, battling for a love interest against your ex-wife? That'd give Steven plenty good reason for being a grouch. :lol:

    Yes. :D And I'd have her drive Cousins Fallon and Amanda up the wall, especially whenever she goes simpering up to "Uncle Blaaaaaaake." :lol:

    New Orleans? Influenced by NuDynasty much? ;)

    Sounds promising. What would happen during it? One idea could be that Kirby and her son are staying at the mansion for the holidays... maybe originally, Kirby told Adam she wanted to share custody, but as the episodes go by, its clear she wants him back. At the beginning of this blizzard story arc, Kirby was going to leave her son at the mansion with his father, but the weather forces her to take shelter at the mansion. So Dana finds herself more or less trapped inside with her husband's ex-fiancee.

    Someone came up with the idea that it should have been Krystle who ran for governor, and I stick by that one. It makes so much more sense having her do it instead of Blake, who has a manslaughter charge, not to mention a slue of old enemies. Also, Alexis would *not* run for governor, but Sean Rowan would. This gives Alexis more time as his campaign manager to run around, trying to find as much dirt on Krystle as possible.

    It would be a great way to bring back the *real* Krystle, the one who's "very calm, very wise, very sensitive." She gains a lot of favor for her cool demeanor, flicking away any and all attacks against her. Blake is actually proud of his wife and supports her the entire time.

    This actually would fit in with Krystle running for governor instead, since Sammy Jo is more closely related to Krystle than to Blake.

    Also, Alexis doesn't fund SJ's film, because SJ has the moolah herself thanks to Delta Rho. *AND* the independent film she stars in is based off "Sister Dearest." So the secrets Alexis tried so desperately to cover up come out into the open after all. Naturally, Alexis is livid, and after raving about how she'll sue "that trailer trash tramp" into oblivion, she suddenly gets the idea to publicly humiliate both SJ and Krystle. "Kill two blonde birds with one stone!"

    Oh yes, and I'd still keep this in. Cuz I like it. :D


    I guess?

    Nah. I like @Jimmy Todd 's idea about Blake and Krystle paying for a new wing in the hospital in order to get Krystina over another patient in need of a heart. Especially since that idea had Alexis being given information about it, but deciding not to use it for ambiguous reasons. It creates such a complex situation for them all to be in, I'd hate to pass it by.

    Besides, Krystle trying to shoot Alexis in the S8 finale takes away from their last scene together in S9 where Krystle threatens to kill Alexis. That should be when Krystle really lets it loose.

    Also, another reason why I'd keep the S8 finale with Sean trying to kill Alexis is because it was so well-referenced in the following season (Alexis sarcastically telling the police that she doesn't normally have people in the bathroom with her; Sable snidely saying to Dex, "And you must be the one who shot him!" and saying how "death is a simpler solution than divorce." Also, Alexis's drunken tirade about "the men in her life", how Sean died "and tried to take me with him!").
     
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    Not much at all. I'd posted this about a trip to Mardi Gras before nuDYNASTY even existed.

    Thanks for reminding me. I wanted him around longer, Prince Michael, if properly utilized. The point of him being pushed into the bars of the cage by Sammy Jo (with whom he'd had an affair the previous season and got pregnant, and once Alexis demanded he drop her, the prince has Sammy Jo's baby aborted by force) is that his death is witnessed by Alexis, thus allowing her to turn the blackmail around on Sammy Jo that the younger woman has had going for a year ever since Sammy Jo witnessed Alexis accidentally pushing Claudia into traffic from a sidewalk (when Claudia confronted Alexis about something she'd witnessed) which is why Claudia couldn't get out of the room at La Mirage when she set the curtains on fire --- Claudia was in a wheelchair.

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    Oh, they should have brought up a lot of things during the campaign, including Blake's manslaughter conviction. (Perhaps the irony of Blake earlier receiving a pardon by the sitting governor before repaying his generosity by potentially running against him).

    Blake would never allow Krystle to run for office. She'd be happier baking and performing psychic healings.
     
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    I would like Sarah Curtis to stay for season 8 and go from one extreme to the other. She becomes Krystle's assistant and even helps her to find the information about Alexis past. Dex has a "pity sex" with Sarah after her breakdown but he keeps her in a friendszone with no chances for relationship. Leslie, who she competes with, laughs at her desperation to get Dex into bed using dead daughter as a weapon. That leads to Sarah's slapping attack on Leslie (similar to Lynette's madness on Desperate Housewives)
    After that incident Mrs.Curtis doesn't want to be seen as a pitiful widow anymore and strives to become a woman, that all the men desire. Obviously she goes too far with it and eventually she is fired by Krystle, who shockingly discovers the methods, that Sarah uses in a campaign.
     
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    Season 8 was the first season since season 5 when DYNASTY had a season-long arc. I think in theory what they were doing--bringing the younger generation to the forefront--was pretty much what it means to portray a DYNASTY. But as always, the execution leaves much to be desired. And, as @Gatsbyesque said, the characters become human again. Steven and Fallon have real sibling conversations, and even Fallon and Adam talk. Adam continues to come closer (initially I had typed closet--Freudian oops) to Steven even as the three siblings disagree in running the company. So, there are lots of good individual elements.

    But the arc stories are a dud. The governor's race is as @Snarky's Ghost said, without any politics, Krystle's investigation is dropped without any dirt uncovered, Sean is around with no Kirby so there is no real impact from the past, and the surrogacy plot is turning Dana to the sidelines when she should have had a meatier storyline to establish her as Adam's wife. I mean, the only good thing from these stories is leaving Colbyco in shambles, so that Sable can sweep in by next season.
     
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