Discussion in 'Australian & New Zealand Soaps' started by JROG, Sep 12, 2017.
I think both would qualify for staircase moments.
I don't know what's sexier, shy or self-confident.
Isn't that the truth.
And so very in character for her.
How funny that we both clicked with Lynn in the exact same scene.
Lisa's a very different character to Pippa, but she also looks so much younger, even though there are less than seven years between the two roles.
Oh - this did make me smile.
How fascinating that you've pinpointed the exact moment S&D lost its innocence. I wonder if any other aspects of the series are operating under different rules as a result of John and Amanda's half naked meeting.
I think the biggest difference between season 4 and the previous three seasons is the number of storylines. Leigh/Beryl/Baby Robert is probably the longest and most memorable story, and there's a lot of other exciting stuff to enjoy. Just wish the good ones had lasted a little longer, and the less impressive ones...not at all.
Not that there weren't any mishaps in season 1 to 3. The Lynne/Andy affair is still the most unwatchable thing they've done so far, but anyway that's all water under the bridge now.
So, Alison (aka Patricia) really is Mary's mother. At first she seemed genuinely surprised and I considered the idea that Margaret had used her sister's name when she had the baby adopted.
But then Mary showed the pictures of a younger Rowena Wallace and it looked like a set up for a twin sister mystery, but I was pretty sure that Pamela wouldn't be in season 4.
The fact that Gordon is Mary's father bears no significance as yet, but I'll see what happens.
The company stuff continues to be super vague, they're not going to dissolve it, they're going to sell it - to Roger Carlyle. And then there's the one percentage shares and deciding votes and whatnot.
But then Roger Carlyle gets murdered by a Quasimodo guy and the Game Of Shares starts all over again.
Alison wants Charlie to buy the shares for her because she needs a purpose in life. As Charlie's friend she's even worse than Patricia 1.0 - it's like when Nellie Oleson was written out and then the Olesons adopted the horrible Nancy.
The scene when Alison tells Charlie how the Hamiltons really feel about their glossy-ditzy neighbour looks particularly cruel.
Wayne has developed agoraphobia - I'm afraid I've amnesiaced the reason why - but his attempts to go outside are very entertaining, as if he's about to step into a twilight zone.
When he thinks his father is in serious danger he simply has to overcome his fear, and it's a nice sequence with camera angles and low budget thriller background music.
Brett Keegan is (or could have been) an interesting character. He's not a villain but he has unpopular opinions and he's selfish and disloyal. Soap sleazebags are fun, well Brett certainly isn't but he brings Tracy back, and she's very much involved with Simmo's friend, "Judge" - a dangerous criminal who deals in stolen videorecorders (!)
This story ends with an attempted murder/hostage scene and this was the first time I saw a hostage-taker threatening to hurt his victim with a stick (or was it a table leg).
Irene Fisher has a cry-wolf patient, I thought it was Arnold Feather from Number 96 but IMDB doesn't credit him for Sons and Daughters.
She tells him "Roy, a doctor-patient relationship is a very special one, it really shouldn't go further than the surgery".
But eventhough she says it to discourage him, Judy Nunn's husky voice makes it sound like a porn-parody.
Barbara discovers Gordon's father new will, I actually recognized this scene.
She doesn't want Gordon to read it, and she's got plenty of time to burn it in the fireplace. But that's not what happens of course.
And so we meet Gordon's previously unknown / obligatory black sheep brother James. I like him, but what's more important is what a new character does for the established characters, and I think they succeeded with the new Hamilton.
We get to see Barbara at her most snobbish, controlling and territorial behaviour. Obviously, brother is not welcome at Southfork/Falcon Crest/Dural.
In an argument between James and Barbara he points out that she's nothing compared to Gordon's first wife, the lovely Nancy Hamilton.
I wondered if there had been an affair, and if Wayne could have been the result of that!
Hong Wong, Fiona's project of the month. He sounds suspiciously authentic Australian and the storyline is boring but at least they hired the cutest little actor they could find.
Caroline has a new town house, with big glass doors. What could possibly go wrong? I'm glad she got a new place, everyone's already been in the Morell Sydney apartment.
I also like the idea of Chris Bainbridge as her young lover, like I said before, Caroline is great with the raunchy stuff. Sort of Australia's answer to Morgan Fairchild - it's all wonderful as long as it doesn't get too serious.
And there's another new set: the Campbell's place! It looks pretty good by S&D standards.
Rod Campbell is the new man in Beryl's life, basically he's NuDavid, and he has a difficult daughter and a jealous, conniving houskeeper: the marvellous Doris. I love her!
It's all classic soap and I could watch this forever.
16 more episodes to finish this season, but I can already say that it was a good one, despite the lack of identity caused by too many rushed storylines and new characters.
Possibly because it was immortalised on one of the official DVDs (and in turn YouTube).
Yes, he is adorable, but...
and even worse...
I don't think I commented on it as I watched, but I really liked this set. It was pretty short-lived, so enjoy it while you can.
I really struggled with Season Four, probably best summed up by my reflection on the season in post #646. All the same, I can look back on it with some kind of fondness.
Hey S&D fans. I’ve found a few clippings of Glen and Susan. Enjoy! Love the 800 episode pic and cake
And my very very fav from SAD, some here from pre and post. You can see how popular she was in Oz. Such a stunning young woman. They all look like the get on together so well. It’s wonderful
That Stars In Wars article has cast a little more light on the 800th Episode Curse.
I remember reading about Leila's incident with the suntan lotion around the time it happened (I think it was through a S&D fan club I subscribed to) and to this day it's still at the back of my mind whenever I apply sunscreen to my face. But I either didn't know or have forgotten that this happened along with all the other mishaps that occurred within the cast at the time of that location shoot.
The titbits from the big finale party are great. It's good to see that cast members like Ally Fowler, Kim Lewis, Rona Coleman and Michael Long returned. And even little Katie O'Brien. Love the shot of Abigail holding the tinnie while laughing Sarah Kemp holds a champers glass with her pinkie sticking out. Wouldn't it be fun to know what some of those unprintable categories were?
It would be so fun to know what the unprintable awards were and to see the gag reel and bloopers!!
696 - the season finale!
Lo and behold, the company has a real office! It's for board meetings but the board members are practically living together so it's a rather pointless trip. And nothing really happens in that room anyway. But it's the thought that counts.
David returns from Rio, and the recast Patricia - now Alison - meets the impostor Patricia who has also taken on a new identity: Sarah Hunt.
Unfortunately it's not nearly as fabulous and clever as it could have been, Sarah is as blank as she's supposed to be, and David recognizes the real Patricia immediately.
But he continues to support Sarah and have her believe that she really is Patricia, because he doesn't want to upset her or whatever.
There is the irony that Alison has to watch her identity being stolen right from under her very nose, but the story doesn't go there.
Instead, it's business as usual when the fight over David begins. Alison harasses Sarah with hints about her impossible identity, but it's the way she does it that doesn't sit right with me.
"It appears that your personality has changed too. You're so much sweeter, and without that strength and sharpness that makes Patricia so attractive" (or something in that wording).
Patricia would never flaunt her bitchiness because she usually saw herself as the victim. She made people suffer because they "deserved" it, not because she was a cool villainess.
So all in all, it's rather messy but I'm sure the story will adjust itself. It wouldn't be the first time.
Doris was a great schemer but even if you watch this for the first time you just know that she'll go full-on-psycho at some point. Without her, the Campbells may not be so interesting anymore…
Caroline comes up with the idea that the company should buy Woombai from James. I don't understand how Fiona suddenly doesn't own (or control the majority) of Woombai anymore, after she had outbid Roger Carlyle.
It's all James' now and somehow that renders all investments null and void. I'm sure that's not how it works!
It's so hard to keep up with who-owns-what because they make shares vanish and re-appear whenever it suits them.
James' "buddy" Duncan is sort of a Charlie St. James who massively disrupts the (ahem) peace and quiet at Dural.
Needless to say, this situation tests Barbara's level of tolerance which - as we all know - is none.
Blind Kelly turns out to be more watchable than I thought, they approach the handicap firmly and honestly so it doesn't feel like the sentiment o' the week. Fiona's misguided guidance adds a frustrating layer to the story. Sometimes it feels as if she has her mini-soap within the soap: All My Drama.
Leigh is in jail now, and she wants everybody to forget about her. Turning herself in brought closure to her story, she takes full responsibility for everything that has happened.
I think this the moment to forgive her.
Adam is very upset that she doesn't want to see him, and like a true soap man he takes off his shirt and does something physical and sweaty.
As you can see, this narrative is all about character.
This trend was started by Ray Krebbs from DALLAS, after the fight over Garnett McGee.
The cliffhangers! Fiona gets cancer (here, have it) - I find it so tasteless. Alison and James are in a plane crash situation, but the malfunction was their own fault (at least Monica Colby was too upset to notice it) and therefore hardly a surprise.
Doris is about to suffocate baby Robert with a cushion (I wanted Heather to enter the room, knock Doris unconscious and then kidnap the baby, but that didn't happen).
The meaty stuff happens at Dural where Duncan locks Caroline in the cupboard under the stairs. Considering what has happened before this is a really nasty fate. I could really feel her terror.
Ah that means I'm exactly two seasons behind you because I've just watched 352 - the season finale!
That was very funny, and it all came back to me as she was saying it, despite me not having seen it in decades (and then only once, I think).
Now that Wayne's married Amanda, he seems to have gotten even meaner, and a bit smarter, which means he's in danger of becoming a credible villain.
Funny, I feel like all of Fiona's shifts around Terry make emotional sense. I mean, you need a powerhouse of an actress to pull them off and that's what they've got. It could easily spill over into scenery-chewing for the sake of it but I don't feel like it's happened yet.
Yeah, Sam(?) and Enid's reaction to Fiona letting the cat out of the bag to Terry about being his mother does seem like a strange omission, especially as they each pop up a few episodes later. They're lovely, sort of like kindly puppets on a children's show. I mean that in a good way.
Yes, all of that was great. Everyone's point of view made sense to me so it was very satisfying.
That speech was fascinating, very resonant. Terry seeing a prostitute with a kid results him raping a "prostitute" and giving her a kid, not realising all along that he himself is the kid of a prostitute.
Yes, and Terry is such a good actor, like Martin-and-Peter-Healy-good, like wandered-in-from-another-show-by-mistake good. Or maybe I don't mean just good -- most of them are good on S&D -- I mean earthy and real and authentic, which grounds the outrageous aspects of his story in some sort of reality. Which is a brilliant thing to have in a soap -- that constant push-pull between the outrageous and the real.
Yes, I remember not liking him before, but so far I can't remember why. At this point, he's a bit like Ciji Dunne played by Shaun Cassidy.
Tony is all about the father figures: David, Terry, Stephen, the entire rodeo circuit. Just anything in trousers, really.
And there was me thinking I'd been super-observant by noticing this!
It's funny, I always thought Rosie was really annoying, even as Lovely Helen in Neighbours. But she's great. She really owns this character. And the way her and Doug's little idiosyncracies work together is so good, in a funny subtle way.
Again, like Fiona's, I have to say that John's self-righteous outrage makes sense to me.
Yes, earthy is a good word for Lisa. And such an unpromising character on paper - a top Sydney fashion designer from the country sounds a bit rubbish. But she's been great. The character's reaction to the news of the rape -- more or less taking it in stride without diminishing it -- is a very tricky balancing act and she gets it just right. I guess she's just too sane to live in a soap opera -- especially this soap opera -- for long, kind of like Paula Vertosick on Knots.
Yes, that sums Lynn up exactly. She's a boring character who does potentially interesting things in an irritatingly brainless way.
Yeah, it feels like there's no point to the rape story, so it becomes all about character, almost by default. That said, I've reached the season finale where Barbara, Matt and Fiona are all moving heaven and earth to prevent Jill from making an independent decision about what to do with her own body. There's no question that she should be allowed to even consider getting an abortion. I mean, she was raped! And even if she wasn't!
Yeah, Tony's been a big surprise. He's gone from being a slightly unworthy Peter Healy replacement to a character who works entirely on his own terms.
Joe hiding in the very truck the Palmers are using to escape from him is very Cape Fear.
That Season 2 ending is very end-of Falcon Crest Season 2 (which would have happened only a few months before) and very end-of first Brookside siege (which wouldn't happen for two more years).
That was a very sweet moment. It made me think about how much has changed over the past two years, especially to John and Jill who started out so innocent and happy go lucky and are now complete emotional basket cases.
It is creepy and there's something almost incestuous about it: this great strapping young bloke completely helpless in a hospital bed while this heavily made-up old woman full of intense emotions for him that are inappropriate for her to express hovers over him ... but it makes sense!
Ha ha, that's so true. They're so loud, they're almost echoing!
If only it was.
At least Amanda acquiring a bit of a conscience makes more sense than Angela's ever-changing shifts from bad girl to good girl depending on who she was talking to. (Not that those weren't fun.)
Well, the last time I saw him he had a beard and was dressed like a folk singer. Maybe there's a reason they're keeping him off-screen.
That was an amazing cliffhanger. And only Terry Hansen could pull it off!
Oh Willie. You've made it through Season Four. Congrats. I found Season Five quite an improvement, if memory serves (not that it was that long ago. But there have been a whole lot of freeze frames since then).
Gosh - that's come round quickly too, James.
It remains a favourite scene of mine. When we do the S&D Top Tens I'm sure it will crop up a few times. Even reading the lines again makes me smile.
I know exactly what you mean. And yes.
Wow. Even in precis it's so bloody brilliantly ironic.
Yes to all of this.
This makes me want to travel back in time and read this comment before watching Andy's episodes.
Ha. It's a Freudian's wet dream.
I know. He's just so un-Max-like.
You're right, I know. I feel somewhere along the way both Fiona and John let me down somewhat by not remaining the characters I first saw (fun and wild Fiona; innocent and truthful John). But I suppose my frustration with them means they're written well.
Great comparison. They are spiritual sisters.
Yes. Some of the skewed attitudes are quite unsettling.
Funnily enough, there's a storyline that's just begun in episodes of Home And Away I'm watching which leads - fairly quickly - to a very similar domestic violence turned siege situation, complete with shots fired and a death reveal in the next episode (the antagonist is basically what we'd get if Bob Mitchell had Joe Parker's storyline). I'm curious to see how I feel about it this time round. It's not a season finale, and so won't be as exciting as the Woombai siege. But we'll see.
The Morell residence (and everything connected with Dee) seems to have that effect on characters. It's a new playground and there's no Gordon or Barbara to restrain him.
Considering the history of baby Scott, and the grave at Woombai, how could it not become the biggest emotional turmoil ever? How she feels about Terry, good or bad, can only be shown from a magnified point of view. And sometimes that results in uncomfortable watching, which is certainly not a bad thing for soap operas.
They certainly did.
He's shouty-er than shouty Navy-John, but without the history of being a popular, lovable character.
It's not all his fault though. They never gave him scenes that made me feel sorry for him eventhough the opportunity was there. And with that very limited emotional range I find it difficult to deal with his easily-outraged-but-not-funny-hammy performance.
I'm not sure how blushworthy that comment is supposed to be, but I guess that's what makes it so blushworty (let's leave it at that).
They only have to make an effort when the secret has to stay secret for a while.
Secret information that has to become instantly available is being whispered through megaphones.
The young Palmers may not be the most exciting characters, but their presence adds some colour and detail to the S&D universe, like the Wards did on Knots Landing.
The flaws become more apparent when they get too much story and screentime. Ironically, the KL fans complain about the Wards as being underused, personally I felt it was simply never meant to be for these characters. But without them the cul-de-sac wouldn't be complete.
That said, I enjoyed Kevin and Lynn's adultery storylines. It wasn't spectacular but it made them a little more raunchy in a way that wouldn't make sense in season 1.
I think that's it. They live the consequenses of soap opera in a way that makes sense, but these are usually not the most popular developments - FC's Chase Gioberti being a prime example.
I *think* I can also subscribe to UK's Amazon Prime, and I've been snooping about their H&A episodes. Is it not a soap-hindrance that there are so many child actors in it?
Excellent point, Willie. And very well made.
Very true. Events that happened early on in his run in particular should have endeared him more than they did. But then maybe your last sentence is the explanation as well as the problem.
Oh Willie. Come and join the fun.
Their inexperience does come across - particularly in the Pilot and early episodes. Which is similar to what you said about the flaws of younger characters showing with too much screen time. But most of them improve quickly once the series is underway. There's one whose performance didn't improve, and she was hastily written out a few months in.
Most of the young actors are late teens. Some even early twenties. They're used more than traditional younger soap characters and get some meaty storylines, despite spending half their screen time in school uniform, there's a good balance between the older and younger cast.
But even if you hate them, some familiar older faces make it worth the entry fee
More knockout pix of popular and pretty Kim
Thank you all for your wonderful reviews. It’s so good to read your take on the show and what you enjoy and what you don’t. It’s like rewatching through your eyes. You are all so much better at writing than I am so I hope you enjoy these Aussie clippings as my contribution. Rowena obviously got by far the most press coverage, followed by Kim. This next lot here are all from the same issue of TV Soap, the Dec ‘84 issue. Kim in this and most TV Soap reader polls beat most of the American soap actresses in popularity including VP! But unfortunately she never made the front cover of this mag and fortunately VP did lol. Aussies clearly enjoyed Danny Roberts and Chris Atkins ;-)
Thanks again for your excellent and amusing writings
Especially for a character that's going to stay forever.
Thanks. I thought that The Waltons-esque set up would prevent H&A from becoming a delicious soap.
It certainly is a very convincing argument! It looks like Barbara-now-Morag still has her high horse moments.
Including a pattern to make the glamorous Kim Lewis outfit!
It adds a lot of authenticity, nostalgia and previously unknown information to this thread. Thank you so very much for scanning these obscure pictures and articles, they're not available online anywhere!
Thanks Willie. S&D started in NZ in Feb 1986 once TYD had finished and took its 6pm time slot. So by the time I realised I loved this show Rowena, Kim and a lot of the original cast had long gone. Of course with no internet I was very grateful indeed as I scoured second hand bookshops, old book and church fairs for hours and found so many gems. And now decades later I get to share them with you and it’s your turn to see them with fond memories and new old information. Enjoy especially the article on Lynn as I know she’s all your firm favourite ;-)
And the award for the strangest-looking newspaper headline in a soap goes to ...
Does that mean you're watching the first seasons for the first time now?
I like this picture of a glossy Leila Hayes
Unlike the other pictures it doesn't look very 1980s at all. Here, she looks like a member of 1970s disco band à la La Belle Epoque or Silver Convention.
Probably showing my lack of knowledge - and I've been staring at it for 5 minutes now - but what is it that I'm not seeing?
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