Season 12 Thoughts as I watch for the first Time (No Spoilers)

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  1. JROG

    JROG Soap Chat Well-Known Member

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    I have been watching Season 12. First 5 episodes so far (so, up to "What If?"). Something feels off about the show. It's weirdly structured. A little uninspired. And, most sadly of all, a little boring. That being said, there's still good stuff, like Danny's sudden kidnapping/murder attempt of Gary and the climax of Karen's stalker storyline. Still, I do not see where this is going from here.

    I have also finally seen the infamous "Pollyanna" speech scene. I find it hard to divorce myself from years of opinions I've read about it, ranging from very positive to very negative, but, overall, I liked it well enough, especially when she goes into what we can't do in the world anymore -- until she starts saying she wants to be a Pollyanna. There is something teeth-clenching about that, but Lee's performance here was very, very good (and much more controlled than her usual).

    In the surprising instance we'll get some discussion going, please do not discuss anything beyond the episodes I've watched. Thanks!
     
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    The trouble is that I can’t remember what happened in the first five episodes vs. the rest of the season. Perhaps it’ll be easier to have a discussion once you’ve finished the season.
     
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    I didn't think I would, but I've been really enjoying Anne's blackmail scheme storyline. Nick Schillace is a really fun guest character, and the two have a lot of chemistry.

    Danny's death also being revealed to be basically an accident with Julie knowing but doing nothing to stop it was also satisfying.

    There was this really lovely Mack/Paige scene in episode 8, where he told her she deserves better than Greg and that he wishes he were there when she was growing up to tell her how great she is.

    On the other hand, Val bumped her head and is acting all sorts of crazy. Gary is finally beginning to suspect, but we don't have to. It's yet another Val-is-crazy story. Sigh.
     
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    The Danny storyline was basically a remix of the Jill storyline. From what I recall a lot of this season felt like that - old plots in a new form.
     
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    I thought they were very different.
    Pierce Lawton however….
     
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    Which in some ways was a rehash of the Ciji storyline. I understand that was their first big ratings success and they tried to emulate it several times - with diminishing returns.
     
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    Murakame was a retread of Apolune/Wolfbridge, too. Methinks the Lechowicks were running out of ideas.

    I guess we should be relieved Greg didn't pull out a gun and shoot Abby at the end.
     
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    You're right, especially with the structure of the story with flashbacks and such. It wasn't a hugely used device on the other main three primetime soaps if I remember, but Knots seemed to often do them. I guess that's why it feels a bit daytime-ish to me sometimes.
     
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    Some more thoughts:

    I'm generally OK with Season 12, but WHY spend so much time on Anne's money trouble/deceptions only for them to very quickly deal with Paige finding out the truth? It wasn't meaty, it felt anticlimactic. But Anne going to Nick/Dimitri's hotel room and finding a body there was hilarious.

    The Valentine's Day episode aired February 21st. A little off, just like this season.

    I am REALLY loving the Jason storyline. That kid they cast as Jason is so pretty and just the right mixture of bad boy and tragic figure. And Dobson's been turning in some fantastic work.

    Not sure how to feel about the Val story, really. I guess it's OK but, once more, the writers doing all they can to have Val not be Val. I will never understand why they didn't like her/get her.

    Also, who would've thought, but I really enjoy Linda! I guess Greg has a type!

    To think that a show 12 seasons and nearly 300 episodes into its run could pull off an episode like "An American Hero" is quite surprising. Everything from Paige imagining the various ways she should've reacted to Linda/Greg (which is one of those great slice-of-life Knots moments) to the playfully done hatred between Claudia and Anne was wonderful. That this soap opera would care about making a point about corporate life and sucking up (through Bob and Mort) is also appreciated. I am loving how the Steve story is developing. I can't tell if his teaming up with Linda is real or a plan. The ending with Jason's essay is a bit schmaltzy, but the actors have earned it. And, then, WHAM! they hit you with the card remembering Steve Shaw. [​IMG] I wonder how, if at all, the show will address this.
     
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    Val's brain virus is over so suddenly, you have to wonder if they couldn't wait. Gary is told she's fine and that's it. I don't 100% believe it but it leads to (at least) two episodes of Val being herself and some wonderful Gary/Val moments, so I won't complain.

    The Linda/Paige rivalry has developed into a great focal point for the series. Never a dull moment with those two. Also, in case I haven't said it, while I miss Lotus Point, the Sumner Group is such a great business setting by now, with tons of really fun side characters and stories.

    Funny how both DALLAS and KNOTS did "trapped in.." scenarios for their 300th episodes. KNOTS' of course pretty much involves the entire cast and not the two they think are the most important. I squealed when they started playing the theme song as Gary and Val decided to just get married. My babies are finally back together! Yay!
     
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