Ron Reagan: Trump's base would pick Putin over any Democrat as U.S. president

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Do you believe Trump's base would pick Putin over any Democrat as U.S. president?

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  1. SueEllenRules!

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    Reagan's Son: Trump's Base Would Pick Putin Over Any Democrat As U.S. President
    "The most important thing to them is that Trump seems to hate the same people they hate," Ron Reagan says.

    The son of former President Ronald Reagan believes Donald Trump’s political base is so consumed by hatred for the Democrats that they would vote for Vladimir Putin to be America’s president instead of virtually any member of that party.

    “They really aren’t in touch with reality. The most important thing to them [is that Trump] seems to hate the same people that they hate,” Ron Reagan told Chris Matthews on MSNBC’s “Hardball” on Thursday. “That’s the real Trump derangement syndrome.”

    On the other hand, they like the people Trump likes, Reagan said. Russian President Putin’s popularity is rising, he noted.

    “If it was left just up to Trump’s base, they would elect Vladimir Putin as president of the United States over virtually anybody with a D after their name,” he added. “If Trump seems to love Putin, they’ll love Putin, too.”

    A revved-up Matthews groused that if President Barack Obama had committed an antic like one of Trump’s, he “would have been keelhauled.”

    Reagan responded: “You’re absolutely right. No previous president could have gotten away with even a tenth of the things that Donald Trump has.”

    Reagan's Son: Trump's Base Would Pick Putin Over Any Democrat As U.S. President - HuffPost https://apple.news/AQNrg-ngxTFqKw2J7CPMFMA
     
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    Well, of course he's right. The rightwing has been grooming the white working class for 30 years -- ever since Ron's dad was president -- to revile all "liberals" and "Democrats" for such irrational reasons, with FOX News' endless slew of lies -- that actual policy has little meaning to them.

    They've been drip-drip-drip hoodwinked over time, and what we have now is the result: a white working class who are fine with Putin and fine with treason from Trump and possibly the GOP at large as long as no libtard is in power.

    And Trump is their favorite Republican for the same reason he's so dangerous: his lack of any internal conflict makes him seem to be "a real man" to them.
     
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    So white working class voters were wrong to think Democrat-backed NAFTA and TPP were detrimental to their jobs?

    Are Dems ever in the wrong, or are the Republicans simply better manipulators?
     
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    It goes further back than Reagan and it is more than the labels of liberal and democrat. One of the best analyses of US politics I've read is The Right Nation by Micklethwait and Wooldridge. Right-wing think tanks steered the party into solidifying "the American dream" as a capitalist, entrepreneurial endeavor, one that every working class American believes is within their reach, and the party promoting the business interests is the republican one. That, coupled with American exceptionalism theories, proved a winning combination for the party. The democrats keep fighting not the premise of the republican ideology (which republicans successfully promote as quintessentially American) but the hypothesis the republicans are better suited to serve it. And so they are bound to lose, even if occasionally some presidents (for example Bill Clinton and Barack Obama) convince the public that they are better for US capitalism--i.e. economy--than the republicans when republican presidents have made a mess.

    It is not an either/or. Dems are often wrong, but Republicans are better manipulators--they are more consistent on their speaking points and they keep hammering until everyone is on the same tune as them whereas dems fight with each other as much as the republicans. Trump has been ignored by many democrats (including simple voters) as a crazy egoist, but look at where he directs his attack with the "false news" label--not at obviously biased media always siding with democrats, but at outlets like the NY Times and CNN which moderates would have considered as overall objective (he is of course helped by the NY Times running a "Clinton has a 93% chance of winning" declaration all the way until 10 p.m on election night). He knows to poison the well, and the tactics worked in 2016, and may work again in the future.
     
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    I don’t want to mention any names, but I truly believe a certain so-called progressive on here would pick Putin over any Democrat as U.S. president.
     
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    No, he's just still fighting the 2016 primaries. As is Trump the 2016 general election.
     
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    I’m not so sure. There are people on the Trump administration’s payroll who expend less energy trying to normalize his bull$h!t.
     
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    So clever.
     
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    I truly believe only a demented defender of corporatist war monger scum would believe a progressive would choose an authoritarian like Putin as president.

    This is projection on steroids. You normalize Democrats like Joe Manchin who support Trump over 60% of the time. You normalize Hillary Clinton, who has shown disdain for the poor, workers, immigrants, and millennials. Not to mention her support for countless wars, which you support as well. You normalize DNC corruption, and even said you support the party's choice to rig elections in favor of the moderates. I vehemently oppose Trump's policies and corruption, as well as any election interference done by Russia on his behalf. But because I'm consistent in my beliefs, I also oppose faux liberal frauds like yourself. You list all of the ways Trump is awful, yet you continue to support indefensible scum on the left.

    The fact that you and Gabriel think you have the moral high ground when you support and make excuses for trash is hilarious.
     
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    All of the in-fighting in the Democratic Party is because it's basically two parties in one. You have "moderates" who are essentially center-right and work to keep the corporations and the military industrial complex happy. Then you have the elites and even some middle class/poor tools who support them. Unfortunately, they lack the awareness to realize why it's hypocritical to go after Trump for possible election interference, as well as policies that hurt the poor and immigrants when they support Democrats who do the same thing.

    Then you have the progressives who support diplomacy, a living wage, single payer, free public college, and getting money out of politics. Naturally, the moderates want none of that because it infringes on their corporate cash. Of course, they've even managed to brainwash people in the lower classes into believing their garbage is the only way forward. They were so effective at it that even some on the left have taken to supporting war and conflating communism with socialism just like right wingers. Fortunately, not all of us drank the kool-aid.

    People say that the Democrats need to unify if they want to stop Trump and the GOP, but "unifying" means conceding power to the moderates and ending up with Republican-lite.
     
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    Trump's always been a huge cad, and anybody who was ever friendly with him or has been seen in Putin's presence is obviously a traitor... unless you're Hillary Clinton.

    Funny, Trump doesn't appear to make her skin crawl in this picture. I can't believe she's normalizing him like that:

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    Look who came to dinner (not Jill Stein this time):

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    And one of Bill and Putin for good measure:

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    But isn't that true of Republicans too? I'd say they may even have more than 2 sides--the right-wing evangelicals in mountain and south, the market economy coastal ones, and then the tea partiers.
     
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    Good point. So how do they manage to unify? Although it doesn't appear that they do all of the time, like with Trumpcare.
     
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    Well, Trump has often been a dividing figure in the party same as in the country. He seems more from the same cloth as the tea-partiers rather than republican orthodoxy until 2008.
    As for how they (generally) manage to unify, I'd guess that they know to pick their battles. Like, the looming supreme court one was one that even Trump knew to tow the line and he got a lot of the evangelical base support with his list before the election. His picks for the court will define the country for decades to come more than anything else he will do in his four or eight years.
     
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    Yes, the Supreme Court is going to be a mess. And Republicans like Mitch McConnell are demanding Democrats support Kavanaugh after they blocked Obama's pick for almost a year.

    However, picking battles within the Democratic Party usually means giving in to moderates who implement center-right policies. Republicans then move their goal post further right.
     
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    It’s almost as if third party voters would’ve been better off if Hillary Clinton had won the presidency.
     
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    On certain issues, yes. I've conceded that point before. However, it's still difficult to cast a vote for someone when you're opposed to much of what they support.

    Besides, a blue state voter like myself certainly didn't sway the election by voting third party.
     
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