Mark Graison's Persistence In Going After Pam

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  1. Kenny Coyote

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    The way society has changed since the 80's do you think that if Dallas were a present day series, that Mark continually following Pam, a married woman, showing up uninvited over and over again would be considered a stalker? She did tell him that she was married, wanted to stay married, and she'd like him to stop pursuing her, right?

    In the 80s, that kind of persistence was considered admirable but today it would be considered creepy, wouldn't it?
     
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    Today, his gaze from across the street might be considered sexual violence. If she doesn't like him.
     
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    We talked about this before and I’ll say the same thing I said then. If Pam wasn’t interested, she could have ended it. Yeah, she said she was married, but she really wasn’t assertive when saying it, which to a lot of men, leaves the door cracked open.
     
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    To give a female perspective, once we tell you that we're married, the door is closed. Hit the road Jack. We shouldn't have to tell you again that you know that we're married. Mark was a spoiled playboy who was used to getting anything and anyone he wanted, and he saw Pam as a prize to take away from Bobby.
     
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    She said she was married, but did she really indicate to Mark that she wasn’t interested? The first time, be nice. The second time, she needs to tell him that she’s happily married and if this consist, he needs to meet Bobby. She didn’t do that.
     
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    By telling Mark that she was married, Pam certainly did indicate to him that she wasn't interested. That should have been enough, but Mark had no respect for marriage. He even went to so far as to stalk her by showing up at her work place. Pam should have told Bobby about that right away and let him deck Mark like he deserved. Maybe THAT message would have gotten through to Mark.
     
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    Oh it was creepy even for the 80's. Early Pam would have handled it very differently than Watered Down Pam did.
     
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    Are we talking about the Lorimar original show here? The one that started in 1978 and aired on CBS?

    Because if I remember well, in episode 1, married J.R. was dating his secretary for years, Jock had had an affair which produced a son while married, Ray was sleeping with his boss´s underage granddaughter, and even Bobby had "stolen" Ray´s girlfriend in a barbecue just because.

    Or is it another "Dallas" I never knew of...? Give poor Mark Graison a break, for the Soap Gods´ sake! Right before Mark first appeared, Bobby had been a couple of times at "The Blue Onion", one of the sleaziest places in Dallas, looking for the right hooker. Who knows what he did off camera? Not to speak of his smooches with that Harwood woman, even at the Ewing BBQ.

    And Pam, while still married, had dinner and kisses by the bed with super-creepy Alex Ward (aka King of Moldavia). And only a call from Bobby stopped her from doing the dirty deed. And then shows up a guy with a moustache who looks like an adult movie actor, and all people want is having him lynched. Remember they killed him off with the worst unnamed sickness one could imagine, and by (presumed) suicide no less. Did you want him to have the hounds thrown off to him before...?

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    Yes, that's a female perspective. Not the female perspective.

    Obviously, Pam operates differently, especially when separated.
     
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    Yes indeed Mark Graison was pushy and showed disrespect to Bobby and Pamela's marriage. I have seen t his scenerio on shows and movies over the years. Some jerks shows inappropriate attention to a married woman and she likes the attention so therefore does not make it clear to him that she is not interested and go away. Added to that Pamela goes to France with him giving the go ahead to go after her.

    Yes Mark was out of line but Pamela encouraged it.
     
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    Wasn't he also stalking Lane Ballou in Flamingo Road, eventhough she was obviously in love with Fielding Carlyle?
     
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    in an idea world, Alex and Mark would have run off together, far, far away from the married ladies of Texas and us viewers
     
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    And he also terrorized Jack Ewing's first wife back in the 70's. What a creep!

     
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    Did you find it creepy when it first aired? I'm honestly just curious as to what your reaction towards him was when those episodes first aired.

    I like Mark and never would call him a stalker - not then or now. I was just interested to get other opinions too. But why should I give him a break? He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, grew up in what was likely one of the wealthiest families in Texas, had a father who Mark loved, was athletic and good looking -seems to me he got plenty of his own breaks without me giving him another break (just kidding).

    Apparently Mark was so efficient at running the several hundred thousand dollar company his dad left him that Mark was running it well and turning a profit despite the fact that WE NEVER SAW MARK ONCE WORK IN HIS OFFICE. He had this rare knack for making lot so f money in business without ever being seem actually doing any work there

    Point is, he was gifted in many aspects and certainly didn't need anyone to give him a break ;) He got dozens of breaks and enjoyed the result

    It's just a mustache! Geez, what is people's fixation on "porn mousatches," whatever they are? I don't believe in porn so I can inly guess that some of them grow mustaches that look like Mark's mustache. That not very fair unless you're gonna say something about "Pam and her porn star body." She was built like a porn star but she also had a beautiful face which is rare in porn or at least it was when I saw when I was a teenager.Most had good bodies and the silicone breasts the size of Pam's, but none had faces rivaling Victoria's face. She was way too much of a prude to be in porn away, which is fine since it's a dead end lifestyle. Pam wouldn't even wear bikinis at her own pool.
     
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    How picky we are and how we forget about details. Mark also "saw his father die" and could do nothing about it. The ladies he dated were high-society beeches (like the one who said to Pam "you must be great in the sack"...!!!). And he only had one close friend, and that was the very huggable Jerry Kenderson. I myself have nothing against mustaches, whenever they are clean and well-cut...

    Using Leonard Katzman words: "Mark was more perfect than Bobby and Pam did not deserve less. His only fault was his illness." I wish he could read all this bashing of poor Mark. Besides, when he came back from Hong-Kong, he started a fund-raising and gave poor dumb Sue Ellen a job (her first!). He clearly was too good for the "Dallas" world!
     
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    Phew... I'm not gonna lie. It was touch and go for Alexis there.
    Thank heavens it's only a movie!
     
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    It was easy to make him look that way because we never saw him have to go to the office. We only saw him playing polo, playing tennis, and romancing Pam. If we'd seen him actually working in the oil business, going to the office and having to deal with competitors, we'd have seen a different side of him than we ever did. If they wanted to make it realistic.
     
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    The stunts are awesome! It looks so real you wouldn't believe it was only a movie.
     
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    I always found Mark super annoying going after Pam even though she'd told him she was married. The way he persued her made him look slimey. Also the worst part about it was that once when he called Bobby and Pam at home, he first got Bobby on the phone and it was established that they were old friends. Bobby was very surprised when Mark wanted to talk to his wife. I think that made the character even more unlikable since in my book you don't steal your friends boyfriends/girlfriends. So to go after someone's spouse is even worse. :(
     
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