Jill Stein campaign declines document requests in Senate Russia probe

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    Jill Stein campaign declines doc requests in Senate Russia probe

    Former Green Party candidate Jill Stein's campaign has refused to comply fully with a request from the Senate Intelligence Committee for information and documents made as part of the committee's investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, The Intercept reported Thursday.

    The committee is reportedly looking into whether Stein's campaign was involved with a Russian effort to interfere in the election.

    In a letter to the committee denying access to certain documentation, the Stein campaign's lawyers wrote that the request was "so overbroad in reach as to demand constitutionally protected materials."

    The Stein campaign did provide part of the committee's request, but refused to turn over the campaign's internal communications regarding Russian policy, calling them "not pertinent to the subject of Russian interference" in the elections.

    The campaign, however, has said it will provide details about Stein's proposed Russia policy to the committee.

    The committee also requested all communications with "Russian persons, or representatives of Russian government, media, or business interests, including but not limited to any communications, discussions, or offers related to opposition research, from February 6, 2015 to the present."

    According to The Intercept, Stein's campaign has already turned over communications with members of the Russian government and media, but have yet to release communication records with "all people of Russian descent."

    Stein's campaign has said it will not turn over those communications because officials say such a request unfairly places suspicion on all people of Russian lineage.

    Stein, who represented the Green Party in the 2016 presidential election along with running mate Ajamu Baraka, won just over 1 percent of the popular vote nationwide.

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    Lock her up, lmao! Government overreach at it's best.
     
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    Senate Investigators Scrutinize Another Presidential Candidate: Jill Stein

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    Senate investigators are interested in examining the apparent closeness between Jill Stein, a Harvard-educated doctor and perennial Green Party candidate, and Russia.


    WASHINGTON — Senate investigators are scrutinizing links between Jill Stein, the Green Party’s 2016 presidential nominee, and Russia’s campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, searching for evidence of possible conspiracy.

    Senator Richard Burr of North Carolina, the Republican chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, said on Monday that the committee was “just starting” to look at Ms. Stein’s campaign along with another campaign, which he declined to name, as it continues its investigation of the Trump campaign. Mr. Burr has previously suggested the committee is looking at aspects of the Clinton campaign.

    Democrats have seethed for more than a year at Ms. Stein, whose tens of thousands of votes in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania either exceeded or nearly matched Donald J. Trump’s margins of victory in those states, which delivered him the White House. At least in certain quarters, they greeted news of the queries enthusiastically.

    Jesse Ferguson, a former Clinton campaign spokesman, said Americans ought to know if a presidential nominee, no matter how minor, had become a Russian asset or was simply boosted in an effort to chip away Democratic votes from Mrs. Clinton.

    “Russian operatives were not promoting Jill Stein because they thought she would win,” Mr. Ferguson said. “They were promoting her because they thought it would hurt Hillary Clinton and help Donald Trump.”

    Ms. Stein confirmed late Monday that the committee had contacted her campaign to request documents, including emails. Such requests usually precede an interview with the committee. In a statement, she pledged to cooperate but warned against such inquiries being used to “intimidate and silence principled opposition to the political establishment.”

    “We strongly support legitimate inquiry into any illegal activity in our elections — including quid pro quo deals, money laundering, corruption and violation of campaign finance laws,” Ms. Stein said. “At the same time, we caution against the politicization, sensationalism and collapse of journalistic standards that has plagued media coverage of the investigation.”

    The Senate Intelligence Committee’s request to the Stein campaign was first reported by Buzzfeed News.

    Senate investigators are interested in unraveling what was behind the apparent closeness between Ms. Stein, a Harvard-educated doctor and perennial Green Party candidate, and Russia.

    Ms. Stein traveled to Moscow in 2015 for a dinner celebrating the tenth anniversary of RT, the state-run news organization that American intelligence agencies have concluded was being used to spread propaganda during the presidential campaign.

    Photographs from the event show Ms. Stein sitting at a table with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and other prominent Russian government officials. Sitting across from her was another American, Michael T. Flynn, Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser who has now entered a plea agreement with Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel investigating Russian election interference.

    A year later, RT hosted the Green Party’s presidential debate, and showered attention on Ms. Stein’s campaign.

    In her statement, Ms. Stein said she attended the 2015 dinner at her own expense in hopes of “reaching an international audience and Russian officials with a message of Middle East peace, diplomacy, and cooperation against the urgent threat of climate change.”

    Also drawing scrutiny is Ms. Stein’s relationship with Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks. Mr. Assange called in via Skype to the Green Party’s convention in August 2016 to discuss the hacked Democratic National Committee emails that were published by WikiLeaks. And Ms. Stein praised Mr. Assange as a hero for exposing the emails.

    “This is routine,” Ms. Stein told CNN of what was then a presumption that Russia had hacked the D.N.C. “This is what state departments do to one another.”

    At least in part, her support of WikiLeaks is consistent with the Green Party’s advocacy for transparency and its criticism of the hegemony of the country’s two major political parties. But American intelligence agencies have said that in publishing the emails, the anti-secrecy group was acting as a conduit for the Kremlin.

    Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the committee’s top Democrat, would not comment directly on the committee’s interest in Ms. Stein, but pointed out that several of the interactions appeared to be consequential.

    “I will point out though that Ms. Stein was at the infamous dinner that included General Flynn and Vladimir Putin, and we do know that she has very complimentary things to say about Julian Assange, who certainly was being used by the Russians to take some of the hacked information and release it into our political system,” he said.

    The disclosure that the committee is looking closely at Ms. Stein’s campaign is the latest indication that the Senate committee is still expanding its investigation as it nears the one-year mark. It stands in stark contrast to the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Judiciary Committee, the two other congressional bodies investigating aspects of Russia’s interference campaign.

    In the House, Republicans are racing to conclude their own investigation in short order and, Democrats charge, leaving key leads unaddressed. Several senior House Democrats wrote a letter on Tuesday urging Speaker Paul D. Ryan to take more aggressive action to address election security vulnerabilities they said the Russian campaign exposed.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/19/...ion-interference-senate-intelligence.amp.html
     
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    Russia's promotion of Jill Stein's campaign was apparently quite effective, as the necessary number of votes in the 3 states crucial for Hillary Clinton were chipped away, handing them over to Trump, as planned:

    Trump margin of victory over Clinton in Michigan = 10,704
    Jill Stein votes in Michigan = 51,463

    Trump margin of victory over Clinton in Pennsylvania = 44,292
    Jill Stein votes in Pennsylvania = 49,941

    Trump margin of victory over Clinton in Wisconsin = 22,748
    Jill Stein votes in Wisconsin = 31,072

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016#Results_by_state
     
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    So people who voted for Stein did so because of Russia and not because the two mainstream candidates were both corrupt pieces of crap?

    All this because Stein was seated at a table with Putin. Stein was in Moscow to promote peace with the Middle East. US politicians are often seen with leaders they don't like for diplomatic reasons. Hillary herself had direct contact with Putin, and is seen shaking his hand and smiling in several photos. Funny how the Dems aren't calling her a Russian agent.

    But it's clear from the article that this is just retribution. Dems have been out for Stein's blood because she ran against Hillary. Democrats talk a good game about diplomacy, yet they rig their nomination process, attack third party candidates for running, and smear their opponents as Russian agents. They only care about themselves, not democracy. We all know by now that Russia's intent was to sow discord in the election, but that doesn't mean every candidate they supported was in on it. This is the very definition of a witch hunt and fake news.

    That's a sensible position from Ms. Stein, but I'm sure it will further convince the lunatic establishment that Stein's a Russian agent. They're not ones for nuance, after all.
     
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    Russian-funded Facebook ads backed Stein, Sanders and Trump
    At least one touted Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, who Clinton says "may well have thrown the election to Trump."

    Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was the beneficiary of at least one of the Russian-bought political ads on Facebook that federal government officials suspect were intended to influence the 2016 election.

    Other advertisements paid for by shadowy Russian buyers criticized Hillary Clinton and promoted Donald Trump. Some backed Bernie Sanders and his platform even after his presidential campaign had ended, according to a person with knowledge of the ads.

    The pro-Stein ad came late in the political campaign and pushed her candidacy for president, this person said.

    “Choose peace and vote for Jill Stein,” the ad reads. “Trust me. It’s not a wasted vote. … The only way to take our country back is to stop voting for the corporations and banks that own us. #GrowaSpineVoteJillStein.”

    The ads show a complicated effort that didn’t necessarily hew to promoting Trump and bashing Clinton. Instead, they show a desire to create divisions while sometimes praising Trump, Sanders and Stein. A number of the ads seemed to question Clinton’s authenticity and tout some of the liberal criticisms of her candidacy.

    There is no indication Stein, Sanders or Trump was aware of the advertisements, which were described to POLITICO by people with knowledge of them.

    Facebook declined to comment on the specifics of the advertisements but noted a previous statement: “The vast majority of ads run by these accounts didn’t specifically reference the U.S. presidential election or voting for a particular candidate. Rather, the ads and accounts appeared to focus on amplifying divisive social and political messages across the ideological spectrum — touching on topics from LGBT matters to race issues to immigration to gun rights.”

    U.S. officials are investigating whether about 3,000 ads purchased on Facebook by the Kremlin-linked Internet Research Agency might have been part of a larger Russian government scheme to meddle in the 2016 election.

    The number of ads bought by Russians on the site is far less than 1 percent of all election spending, and it is unclear how many people even saw the advertisements. The social network has estimated the total cost of the ads at $150,000.

    But in her recently published book about her election defeat, “What Happened,” Clinton writes that Stein’s modest vote totals in several swing states “may well have thrown the election to Trump.”

    Clinton pointedly notes that Stein joined Michael Flynn at Russian President Vladimir Putin’s table at a December 2014 dinner in Moscow, and that the leftist candidate “praised [Trump’s] pro-Russia stance,” though she does not accuse Stein of collaborating with the Kremlin. Flynn would go on to become Trump’s national security adviser but lasted less than a month in the job.

    Capitol Hill aides are receiving reams of the advertisements this week, and special counsel Robert Mueller’s team has also received the ads and corresponding information.

    Some ads described to POLITICO echoed Trump campaign themes, including ones that advocated tough laws on illegal immigration. Others seem to indicate support for Black Lives Matter, an activist group Trump has strongly condemned, or for Muslim women who supported Clinton. But the ad got the name for Black Lives Matter wrong, one of these people said.

    Many of the 3,000 Russian-bought advertisements Facebook has identified were riddled with poor grammar and spelling and contained outlandish assertions, according to a person with knowledge of them.

    Investigators are likely to probe whether Facebook or any government authority could or should have stopped the ads — and whether the Russian officials were in contact with any Americans.

    Earlier this month, Sen. Mark Warner of Virginia, the Democratic vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, said the 3,000 ads that Facebook has determined to have Russian links may be “the tip of the iceberg” and part of a far larger Kremlin plot to influence the 2016 election through Facebook and other social media platforms.

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    Guess Who Came to Dinner With Flynn and Putin

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    The head table of a gala celebrating the tenth anniversary of Russia Today in December of 2015 included Russian President Vladimir Putin and American retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn.

    It was a (red) star-studded affair, the December 2015 dinner celebrating the 10th birthday of Russian TV network RT. At a luxe Moscow hotel, President Vladimir Putin and a host of Russian luminaries toasted a state-backed news channel that U.S. intelligence calls a Kremlin mouthpiece.

    And next to Putin at the head table, in the seat of honor, was an American. Retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, who would later become Donald Trump's national security adviser, was already advising Trump's presidential campaign when he was paid $45,000 to speak at the gala.

    "It is not coincidence that Flynn was placed next to President Putin," said Michael McFaul, U.S. ambassador in Moscow from 2012 to 2014 and now an NBC News analyst. "Flynn was considered a close Trump adviser. Why else would they want him there?"

    Flynn's Moscow jaunt, like his oddly timed phone chats with the Russian ambassador, has been well reported. But who else came to dinner on Dec. 10, 2015? An NBC News review of video and photos from the RT gala shows a healthy serving of ex-spies, cronies and oligarchs, with a side of friendly journalists and another American.

    Flynn was one of 10 people at the head table, including the Kremlin's top leadership. Three of the Russians, including Putin, were under U.S. sanctions at the time for their role in Russia's annexation of Crimea.

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    Sergey Ivanov (right), then Putin's chief of staff, sat directly across the table from Flynn at the gala. To his left, is Putin's nominal spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, who U.S. officials say is really the Russian president's de facto national security adviser.


    Sergey Ivanov, then Putin's chief of staff, sat directly across the table from Flynn. A former KGB general who at one point ran KGB operations in Africa, he has also served as Russian defense minister and deputy prime minister. Ivanov had been under U.S. and European sanctions for a year and a half by the date of the dinner.

    Next to Ivanov was Dmitry Peskov, nominally Putin's spokesman, but more importantly his de facto national security adviser, say U.S. officials. Like almost everyone at the head table that night, he speaks perfect English.

    Flanking Putin on his right, two seats from Flynn, sat Alexey Gromov, Putin's deputy chief of staff. U.S. intelligence considers Gromov to be Putin's head propagandist. According to the January 6 Intelligence Community report on Russian interference in the U.S. election, "Gromov oversees political coverage on TV, and he has periodic meetings with media managers where he shares classified information and discusses their coverage plans."

    He's also been accused by U.S. intelligence of "ordering media attacks on opposition figures." He has worked directly for the Russian president, first in the Press Office, then as press attache and, since 2008, as deputy chief of staff. He too was on U.S. and European sanctions the day of the dinner.

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    Margarita Simonyan is a personal friend of Putin, and worked in one of his presidential campaigns before being chosen to head RT. She took Putin's seat next to Flynn when Putin went to the stage to speak.


    After Putin got up to make his speech, his place at Flynn's side was taken by Margarita Simonyan, RT's editor-in-chief. She is also editor-in-chief of Rossiya Segodnya, a state-owned and operated Russian news agency created by Putin. A personal friend of Putin, she worked in one of his presidential campaigns before being chosen by Gromov to head RT. The U.S. intelligence assessment of RT paints Simonyan as the lead person, along with Gromov, engaging in "information warfare" against U.S. policies. She is described as "closely tied to, controlled by the Kremlin."

    In his dinner speech, Putin praised RT for its objectivity, disclaiming any influence on its coverage.

    Next to Simonyan was the night's biggest global cultural celebrity, acclaimed director Emir Kusturica, who has twice won the Palme d'Or at the Cannes Film Festival. Born a Muslim in Bosnia, he converted to Orthodox Christianity and is a Putin booster. Putin awarded him the Russian Order of Friendship in 2016. Of Putin, Kusturica once said, "If I was English, I would be very much against him. I was an American, I would even fight with him. But if I was Russian, I would vote for him."

    Kusturica's wife, seated next to him, was the only spouse at the head table.

    Also at the head table were three western politicians. Willy Wimmer, a former member of the German Bundestag who is often critical of U.S. foreign policy; Cyril Svoboda, former deputy prime minister, minister of foreign affairs, and interior minister of the Czech Republic, and two-time U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein, the only American besides Flynn at the head table.

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    Willy Wimmer, left, is a former member of the German Bundestag who is often critical of U.S. foreign policy. Two-time U.S. Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein was the only American besides Flynn at the head table.


    Stein's 2016 campaign was heavily promoted by RT. She hasn't spoken much about the RT dinner, but in an interview with NBC News last fall, she deflected questions about her appearance, instead chastising the U.S. media for not paying attention to her campaign while RT gave it a lot more attention.

    "And my own connection to RT, you know ironically, it takes a Russian television station to actually be open to independent candidates in this country and that is a shame. A shameful commentary on our own media," she told NBC's Alex Seitz-Wald.

    (Stein did well enough to help Russia achieve its aims. Her vote totals in the crucial states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan were all greater than Clinton's margin of defeat, and arguably denied Clinton an Electoral College victory.)

    Beyond the head table, Russia's oligarchs filled many of the seats.

    Seated at a corner table was Mikhail Prokhorov, the owner of the Brooklyn Nets who ran against Putin as the designated liberal candidate in 2012 (and whose offices were raided by Russian security last April). Prokhorov is now on the outs with Putin. Next to him was Viktor Vekselberg, whose billions are in oil and aluminum and who is a business partner of Trump's Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross and the owner of the world's largest collection of Faberge eggs.

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    Mikhail Prokhorov, owner of the Brooklyn Nets, ran against against Vladimir Putin as the designated liberal candidate in 2012. To the right of Prokhorov is fellow billionaire Viktor Vekselberg, an oil and aluminum magnate who is a business partner of Trump's Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross.


    At the table behind Putin's was Mikhail Gorbachev, the last Communist Party ruler of the Soviet Union, along with Artur Chilingarov, polar explorer and federal senator. Nearby, there was Arkady Mamontov, a famous TV host who said that a massive meteor strike that injured nearly 1,500 people in 2013 was God's vengeance on Russia's gay rights movement.

    There was Tina Kandelaki, a socialite and award-winning TV host who's appeared on the covers of the Russian versions of Playboy, InStyle, and Maxim — and ran an international marketing operation for the AK-47, calling it an instrument of peace.

    Unable to attend in person was WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who formerly hosted his own show on RT. Instead, he appeared via satellite as host of one of the 10th anniversary event's seminars, where he lamented the end of privacy.

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    Tina Kandelaki has appeared on the covers of the Russian versions of Playboy, InStyle, and Maxim and ran an international marketing operation for the AK-47, calling the gun an instrument of peace.


    'A Great Learning Opportunity'

    Flynn had already been a frequent guest on RT in the months prior to the dinner.

    In an interview with Dana Priest of the Washington Post in August 2016, Flynn talked about why he accepted such a starring role. He said he didn't ask for it, that the Russians sat him next to Putin.

    "I was one of the guests there. ... Some interesting characters. I found it a great learning opportunity. One of the things I learned was that Putin has no respect for the United States leadership. Not for the United States, but the leadership."

    When Putin finished his speech that night, Flynn was among the first to leap to his feet and offer a standing ovation.

    In the year following the dinner, RT was part of the Putin government's overt attempt to influence the U.S. election, according to the U.S. Intelligence Community. In the January 2017 report on Russian interference, the IC discussed the network's role at length.

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    Mikhail Gorbachev sat a table behind Putin's.


    "RT's criticism of the U.S. election," said the report, "was the latest facet of its broader and longer-standing anti-U.S. messaging likely aimed at undermining viewers' trust in U.S. democratic procedures and undercutting U.S. criticism of Russia's political system. RT Editor-in-Chief Margarita Simonyan recently declared that the United States itself lacks democracy and that it has 'no moral right to teach the rest of the world.'"

    Jill Stein declined an NBC News request for comment.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna742696
     
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    Fox and MSNBC do more propaganda on behalf of Dems and Republicans than RT does on behalf of the the Russian government. That's why people like Ed Schultz are on RT now.

    Stein was at the dinner as part of a peace initiative with the Middle East. But again, let's act like Stein's the only politician to be seen with hostile leaders for diplomatic reasons.

    Stein also addressed meeting Michael Flynn, saying "He introduced himself to me just before we sat down, and I began to give him my elevator speech about the 'peace offensive' in the Middle East, which was my policy throughout the campaign. Our conversation very quickly ended at that. Maybe two sentences about the peace offensive, which he was not interested in."

    Denied Clinton an Electoral College victory? Why do Dems feel entitled to votes instead of actually earning them?

    People act like Jill Stein is the only third party candidate to ever run for office. Anybody ever hear of Ross Perot, Ralph Nader, or Gary Johnson? Were they running at the behest of a foreign government as well? There's a photo of Hillary shaking hands with Putin and smiling, so why isn't she being investigated? This is a blatant witch hunt, plain and simple.

    And like Manafort, the Clintons enriched themselves by doing business with Russian oligarchs. I haven't heard any reports of Russian oligarchs lining Stein's coffers.

    So RT is being criticized for telling the truth? America does lack democracy. We have political parties that engage in foreign election meddling, voter suppression, primary rigging, and bowing to the influence of corporate money. IMO, that's far more damaging to our democracy than run of the mill propaganda in the form of memes or the release of damaging emails we should have been privy to anyway. America doesn't need Russia to undermine our trust in our government. Our politicians have a knack of doing that all by themselves.
     
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    Senate Russia investigators are interested in Jill Stein
    Analysts say Russia promotes fringe candidates to disrupt U.S. politics, and the Green Party's Stein appeared in Russian media throughout the 2016 campaign.

    Two Senate committees probing Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election have now asked for materials related to Green Party candidate Jill Stein's campaign.

    Why are investigators interested in Stein? The environmentalist, an advocate of better relations with Russia, has been a Kremlin favorite since her first run as the Green Party's presidential candidate in 2012. She has regularly appeared on Russian state-owned television, including RT, and famously sat across from Russian President Vladimir Putin at a 2015 gala dinner.

    "The Russian embrace of Jill Stein was anything but subtle," said Andrew Weiss, a Russia expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "Russian state propaganda outlets like RT had a field day with her strident attacks on the U.S. political establishment, and they seemed to work hand in glove."

    Clint Watts, an NBC News analyst who has been tracking Russian election interference at the Foreign Policy Research Institute, said that Russia's intelligence agencies "sought to play both sides of the political spectrum to elevate Trump and turn down turnout for Clinton."

    Added Watts, "On the left politically, they sought to dissuade Bernie Sanders voters from turning out to the polls and increase turnout for Stein."

    Stein does seem to have played a role in denying the presidency to the Kremlin's least favorite candidate, Hillary Clinton.

    Michael McFaul, former U.S. ambassador to Russia and an NBC News analyst, said that Stein "most certainly influenced the outcome of [the 2016] election, given the outcome was decided in three states and by 78,000 voters."

    "Some of Stein's virulent pro-Russian rhetoric has barely gotten attention. Her talking points on hot button issues like the war in Ukraine look like she's reading off of a Kremlin-supplied script."
    — Andrew Weiss, a Russia expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace

    Despite receiving only 1.07 percent of the national vote total, her showing in the crucial states of Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan was greater than Clinton's margin of defeat, and arguably denied Clinton an Electoral College victory.

    McFaul said that Russia state media's interest in Stein fits with a policy of underlining dissent in the U.S. "RT has promoted and often exaggerated the importance of third party political leaders and fringe social movements in the United States with the aim of exacerbating social tensions in the United States," he said.

    Weiss said that Stein's foreign policy statements are also in synch with Russian interests. "Some of Stein's virulent pro-Russian rhetoric has barely gotten attention. Her talking points on hot button issues like the war in Ukraine look like she's reading off of a Kremlin-supplied script."

    During the 2016 campaign, Stein was a favorite of RT and Sputnik, the two government-owned English-language news outlets that have been identified by U.S. intelligence as a big part of the Russian effort to influence the American presidential election. The U.S. intelligence community called the two outlets part of "Russia's state-run propaganda machine."

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    Jill Stein, center, appears at an RT event with host Oksana Boiko and German politician Willy Wimmer in Moscow in 2015. Wimmer is a former member of the German Bundestag who is often critical of U.S. foreign policy.

    Specifically, according to the Intelligence Community's report on Russian interference in U.S. elections from January 2017, RT's criticism of the U.S. election is the "latest facet of its broader and longer-standing anti-U.S. messaging likely aimed at undermining viewers' trust in U.S. democratic procedures and undercutting U.S. criticism of Russia's political system."

    Stein made numerous appearances on RT and Sputnik during both the 2016 and 2012 campaigns, when she participated in an RT-sponsored third party candidates' presidential debate.

    A search of RT and Sputnik archives shows more than 100 stories, both on-air and online, friendly to Stein and the Green Party.

    In addition to being interviewed on policy issues, Stein's campaign, including the Green Party's convention, was covered extensively. For example, RT provided generally positive coverage of a speech by WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, delivered remotely to the Green Party convention in Houston.

    RT also noted how in the closing weeks of the campaign, Stein suggested that Hillary Clinton could lead the U.S. into a nuclear war with Russia.

    "On the issue of war and nuclear weapons," Stein said, as RT reported, "it is actually Hillary's policies which are much scarier than Donald Trump who does not want to go to war with Russia."

    She even used RT to help launch her 2016 campaign for president. She announced her decision to form an exploratory committee on the U.S.-based RT program "Redacted Tonight" in February 2015.

    Watts also notes that it wasn't just Russia's overt propaganda organs that supported Stein. He says that the Russians used their "troll army" and computer-generated bots to place pro-Stein ads on Facebook and tweets on Twitter.

    Most famously, Stein helped celebrate RT's 10th anniversary in Moscow in December 2010, participating in a foreign policy seminar and dining with Putin and former Defense Intelligence Agency Director Michael Flynn.

    She and Flynn, who pleaded guilty recently to charges of lying to the FBI, were the only two Americans at the head table. Stein, in explaining why she traveled to Moscow, said she had hoped to speak with Putin about Russian policy in Syria, climate change and other issues. The Russian president declined the opportunity, according to Stein.

    Stein has steadfastly said that she, unlike Flynn, received no fee or travel expenses for her participation in the RT program.

    In an interview with NBC News last fall, she deflected questions about her appearance, instead chastising the U.S. media for not paying attention to her campaign while RT gave it a lot more attention.

    "And my own connection to RT, you know ironically, it takes a Russian television station to actually be open to independent candidates in this country and that is a shame. A shameful commentary on our own media," she told NBC's Alex Seitz-Wald.

    Both RT and Sputnik often portrayed Stein as a victim of U.S. mainstream media, citing a lack of coverage of her candidacy.

    Now the Russia probers have turned their attention to Stein.

    In July, the Senate Judiciary Committee asked President Trump's son, Donald Jr., for all communications between President Trump's son and a number of others, including Stein.

    In November, the Senate Intelligence Committee asked Stein and the Green Party for "documents pertaining to interference in the 2016 election," according to a Stein spokesperson.

    In a statement Monday, Stein said she is cooperating with the Intel Committee, but warned of the danger of political motives in such probes.

    "In the current climate of attacks on our civil liberties, with the emergence of censorship in social media and the press, criminalization of protest, militarization of police and massive expansion of the surveillance state, we must guard against the potential for these investigations to be used to intimidate and silence principled opposition to the political establishment."

    Senate Russia investigators are interested in Jill Stein - NBC News https://apple.news/AuL0TFdaHRL-D_eTo-xc5AQ
     
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    By smearing people who push for better relations with nuclear super powers, Democrats have become full blown neocons at this point. Even "the Russians" is used as a pejorative against people of Russian descent. It's right up there with Trump saying "the blacks" and "the Mexicans." Funny how an investigation into collusion has exposed the left's own xenophobia.

    The fact that these articles take jabs at Stein for "denying" Hillary the presidency suggests this is just retribution. RT provides a platform for progressives in a way US media doesn't, and it upsets the establishment's apple cart to have people like Stein criticizing them. So they seize on her appearance at a dinner featuring Putin to smear her as a Russian agent. Like Republicans, Democrats are a gang of thugs. They believe our vote is owed to them, rather than having to do the hard work of earning it. That's why Stein's in their cross hairs.

    That's the problem with being confined to a two party system. Both parties are self-serving, unfairly target their opponents, and they don't allow for a diversity of ideas.
     
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    Jill Stein's campaign objects to Senate request for some Russia documents

    The presidential campaign of 2016 Green Party candidate Jill Stein told CNN on Monday she has objected to turning over some documents to the Senate Intelligence Committee related to the campaign's contacts and discussions related to Russia.

    Stein's campaign provided some documents last month as part the Senate committee's Russia probe, but the campaign objected to several requests as overly broad and infringing on "constitutionally protected materials," according to a letter from Stein's attorney, Mara Verheyden-Hilliard of the Washington-based Partnership for Civil Justice.

    The Green Party candidate provided documents related to communications with officials tied to Russian media organizations and the Kremlin, as well as documents related to Stein's 2015 trip to Moscow, which included a dinner hosted by RT that was also attended by both former Trump administration aide Michael Flynn and Russian President Vladimir Putin.

    But the campaign objected to the committee's request for communications with "Russian persons, or representatives of Russian government, media, or business interests," arguing it was broadly targeting the communications of people "because they happen to be Russian immigrants or of Russian descent."

    In an interview with CNN Monday, Stein said she felt the investigation into her campaign was "completely unjustified," but she said she was willing to cooperate with the panel's questions about election interference -- not when the committee infringed on her campaign's civil liberties.

    "We thought that where requests were made that violated basic constitutional protections, that wasn't a good idea, not for anybody, and we did not want to be part of setting a precedent that intrudes further on our civil liberties," Stein said. "Legitimate concerns about interference in our election should not be twisted into a campaign of censorship, war-mongering and political intimidation against opposition to the bipartisan establishment."

    Stein praised WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in 2016 after WikiLeaks posted a trove of hacked Democratic National Committee emails, saying there was "no question" he was a hero. Sweden issued an international arrest warrant for Assange in 2010 for the sexual assault and rape of two women. He avoided extradition with a grant of asylum at the Ecuadorian embassy in London where he's remained since 2012. The U.S. Justice Department is also preparing to file formal charges against Assange for espionage, conspiracy and theft of property belonging to the United States government, among other crimes.

    Stein has been connected to the Senate panel's investigation into Russia's 2016 election meddling in part because of her appearance at a now-infamous dinner that was hosted by RT, the Russian television network. Flynn, President Donald Trump's former national security adviser who has since pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, was sitting at a table with Putin at the dinner -- along with Stein.

    The Green Party candidate also praised WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in 2016 after WikiLeaks posted a trove of hacked Democratic National Committee emails, saying there was "no question" he was a hero.

    Online trolls from the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency used social media to promote Stein's candidacy during the 2016 campaign, according to an indictment brought by special counsel Robert Mueller.

    The intelligence community and congressional panels investigating Russia's election meddling have concluded that the Kremlin was behind the hacking and facilitated the dissemination of the DNC emails as well as the hacked emails of former Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta.

    Online trolls from the Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency used social media to promote Stein's candidacy during the 2016 campaign, according to an indictment brought by special counsel Robert Mueller against the Russian organization and 13 of its employees. The Russians' pro-Stein efforts included paid advertisements on Facebook that explicitly encouraged Americans to vote for Stein, according to the indictment.

    But it was Stein's presence at the 2015 dinner that initially generated questions about whether the Kremlin was also seeking to prop up the third-party campaign.

    Stein's political views often align with the Kremlin and mirror talking points heard on Russian state TV: She claims the American political system is rigged and downplays the impact of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

    Stein has argued that the event received no US press coverage anyway, and said the photo with her, Flynn and Putin was "extremely misleading." She didn't speak to Putin at the dinner, she said, and spoke no more than a "few innocuous words" to Flynn, who was not "interested in her elevator pitch."

    "The Green Party's agenda hasn't really changed," Stein said. "Our stuff was all about nuclear weapons, the need for disarmament, the need for the US to participate in the new UN treaty" on nuclear weapons.

    Stein has not been accused of wrongdoing or colluding with the Russians. But her political views often align with the Kremlin and mirror talking points heard on Russian state TV: She claims the American political system is rigged, opposes the notion of American exceptionalism, is a vocal critic of US military operations overseas and downplays the impact of Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

    In November, the Senate Intelligence Committee sent Stein's campaign a letter requesting documents in the panel's Russia probe, which is still ongoing. Senate Intelligence Chairman Richard Burr, a North Carolina Republican, said that the committee was seeking to learn whether there was "collusion with the Russians."

    "I said at the beginning we would look at all the campaigns and possible collusion by any campaign," Burr said.

    Verheyden-Hilliard said the campaign did provide documents detailing communications with representatives of the Russian government and media organizations, but that the committee's larger request amounted to "a hunt for identification of persons based on nationality or descent."

    The campaign also would not provide the committee documents related to the campaign's policy discussions involving Russia, writing in its response that the committee's request "intrudes on political and associational privacy rights established by the First Amendment," Verheyden-Hilliard wrote.

    Stein says that the material turned over was "completely trivial," such as scheduling the timing for interviews with RT. She said the campaign also provided evidence that it paid in full for Stein's 2015 trip to Moscow.

    Stein's campaign said that it did not have any records of communications with Fusion GPS or Christopher Steele, the ex-British intelligence agent who compiled the opposition research dossier on Trump and Russia, nor did it have records of communication with WikiLeaks related to disseminating information about the 2016 election.

    A spokeswoman for Burr did not respond to a request for comment. A spokeswoman for Virginia Sen. Mark Warner, the committee's top Democrat, declined to comment.

    Verheyden-Hilliard said that since the campaign sent its letter to the committee last month, there have been ongoing discussions about the document request, and a handful of additional material has since been provided.

    Stein said Mueller's team has not contacted her.

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    So she stands for the Constitution and civil liberties while speaking out against government overreach. Hmm, well that must prove she's a Russian agent then!

    Stein called Assange a hero for exposing the American government's dirty secrets, not because he's accused of rape. Also, being accused of a crime doesn't mean he's guilty.

    Assange had legitimate concerns of being extradited to the US had he been extradited to Sweden. After all, it's illegal to expose the government's illegal spying activities.


    Funny, I remember a time when people who shared Stein's political views were called liberals. The people who had the opposite view of Stein were the Republicans. Remember when they were the enemy before they were replaced with progressives? Russia gate has fried their brains to the point that they now identify more with the neocons they used to despise.

    You mean like Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein did? Or how about Mark Penn? He was the chief strategist on presidential campaigns for both Bill and Hillary Clinton.

    Yeah, providing context regarding the scope and impact of Russian meddling totally means Stein's a Russian agent. It's supposed to be nothing but hysteria and hyperbole 24/7.

    Like that matters. Dems want Stein as much as Trump. I'm sure they'll say she loved Putin so much that she did it for free, or something equally ridiculous.
     
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    Why doesn't Julien Assange expose that Russian homicidal thug's dirty secrets? Because, he's no hero. He's Putin's little bitch.
     
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    Fair enough. Of course, what really upsets partisans on both sides of the aisle is that he's not America's little bitch.
     
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    Jill Stein isn’t doing the left any favors

    Looks like President Trump isn’t the only one who has to cry “no puppet.” A controversial CNN interview Tuesday morning saw Jill Stein repeating what some called a Russian talking point on election interference: “We do it, too.”

    The two-time Green Party presidential candidate made her remarks as she defended her campaign’s refusal to hand over to congressional intelligence committees documents covering “internal discussions” that she says are protected by the Constitution. Detractors and defenders leaped immediately into action, the former accusing Stein of being little better than a Russian agent and the latter bemoaning the media’s propagandistic repression of dissenting voices.

    The back-and-forth underscores a current that has rippled through this year’s Russia intrigue. The further left you go, the more skepticism about the obsession over special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe and Congress’s concomitant investigations you’ll find. The problem is, playing down the Russia story doesn’t actually serve the interests of the fringe left any more than it does the center’s.

    Many of Stein’s supporters, and some of Bernie Sanders’s, too, see a series of reasons to be wary of the Russia fervor. First, there’s the argument that mainstream Democrats have seized on the collusion narrative as an excuse for Hillary Clinton’s loss — that it’s a helpful distraction from the imperative that the party develop a strategy to win working-class voters and inspire the disaffected in 2020. Then, there’s the charge of neo-McCarthyism. The “resistance” so fears Russia and communism, according to this line of thinking, that it wants to root out alternative views on the left.

    Finally, there’s the hypocrisy critique that Stein brought to the airwaves this week. Russia’s malevolence in 2016 was really nothing new, partisans say. Not only do governments across the globe try to swing elections abroad, they say, but the United States is an egregious offender. And as for the Trump team’s involvement, they ask, who didn’t know that the lobbyist class was a collection of domestic scum under the thumbs of foreign scum?

    Buried beneath the folderol, these ideas raise important points. It’s irresponsible to spend every day hand-wringing over Russia and no time at all soul-searching about where progressive politics need to go for a left-leaning coalition to reclaim the White House. The Cold War’s lasting chill scares the older generation away from anything that sounds like socialism, even when — as with single-payer health care — a policy has promise on its own merits. The United States has meddled in foreign elections, though its worst days are behind it (and Stein’s version of the story creates a troubling false equivalency). And powers such as Russia have so much sway here at home precisely because Americans aplenty have weighed themselves down with foreign funds a la former Trump campaign chair Paul Manafort.

    It’s dispiriting to see reasonable interventions into traditional Democratic thinking warped into wackiness. The Jill Steins of the world take cogent concepts and corrupt them to ignore the Russia investigations writ large, and to pretend that there’s nothing unusual about top aides on a presidential campaign actively abetting an antagonistic power’s attempts to take down an opponent.

    The smarter route, for Americans all along the left side of the spectrum, is to embrace the Russia investigation. Not only could it hold accountable those who sought to disrupt democracy, but it could also lay bare what the far left sees as realities that existed long before Donald Trump descended his escalator — ones their contingent wants more than anyone to change.

    For years, the left has sought a greater focus on our government’s attempts to influence who leads other countries. They’ve cried out about white-collar crime that leaves high-rolling campaign underwriters open to manipulation by nefarious interests. They’ve scorned the rule of tech titans whose systems allowed the Russians to hijack more than 100 million of our computer screens.

    And all the while, they’ve lamented the refusal of their centrist cousins to confront these topics. The Russia investigation brings every one to the fore. Why try to shove it onto the back burner?

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    It's funny watching the establishment media spin this story by taking every valid point progressives have made and calling them "Russian talking points."

    Establishment Democrats have gone full neocon. Never go full neocon.

    Progressives aren't "ignoring" the Russian investigation. By pointing out how America has meddled in foreign elections, and how other politicians have done business with Russian oligarchs, progressives are exposing a hypocrisy that exists in establishment Democratic circles. They're the ones claiming to hold people like Trump and Stein accountable, yet who's holding them accountable when it comes to undermining the Democratic primaries? Who's holding them accountable for working at the behest of their donors instead of their constituents? It's not Russian to oppose war, to oppose election meddling of any kind, or to expect Democrats to stand up for the poor & middle classes. It's called being a progressive.

    It's also not "wackiness" to point out the corrupt nature of politics, nor the fact that much of it goes unpunished.
     
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    Jill Stein warns against Senate Intel Committee trying to ‘criminalize’ people with Russian background

    Former Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein on Thursday explained her opposition to turning over certain documents to the Senate Intelligence Committee in its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    “The only thing we’re not turning over is what the Constitution says the government should never ask of us,” Stein said on Fox News.

    She explained that she would turn over her campaign’s communications with the Russian government and Russian media. However, her campaign has declined to comply with a request to release communication records with "all people of Russian descent."

    Stein warned that giving the committee those documents when they aren't relevant to the investigation could risk unfairly implicating Russians.
    “The point we’re making is that there is no way to know who has Russian background,” Stein said.

    She likened it to when Japanese-Americans were interned during World War II, saying she doesn’t want to “criminalize a cast of people and cast suspicion.”

    She added that she is not asserting her Fifth Amendment privilege, and that none of the documents she has criminally implicate her or her campaign.

    Stein, who represented the Green Party in the 2016 presidential election along with running mate Ajamu Baraka, won just over 1 percent of the popular vote nationwide.

    She has drawn interest from investigators for her attendance at a 2015 dinner in Moscow hosted by the Russian state media company RT.

    At the event, she shared a table with Russian President Vladimir Putin and former U.S. national security adviser Michael Flynn. Stein has downplayed the significance of the dinner.

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    I ain't buying it. Something's fishy. I trust Stein about as much as everyone else who helped Trump win, including the Russians. With any luck, whatever's hiding in those documents will somehow come to light. Who knows, maybe they'll be hacked by her hero Julian Assange and posted on WikiLeaks.
     
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    When hell freezes over. But that'd be hysterical.
     
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    Never say never. :cool1
     
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