Peyton Place Ideas for a remake.

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    @Willie Oleson Thanks! :)

    Also, I realized I should probably mention that, in Season 7, when Dr. Rossi is accused of murder, it plays out similar to the original series, only with Constance in the role of Marsha (who I won't be including in this remake). Only I'm not sure who could fill the role of Fred... perhaps Joe Rossi? That certainly would be something, for Dr. Rossi to be accused of killing his own brother. The motive? Joe molested pregnant Constance.

    However, there are a few other suspects, including Susan Winter (hinted to be the real killer), Jill Smith (who manages to give slightly damning testimony against Michael), and possibly Allison. Though Allison states that she wishes it *had* been her. Except Rodney provides her with an alibi.



    That's actually another thing I want to mention for Season 7: during this whole time, Rodney and Allison hang out a lot. They're often seen having lunch or dinner together, they go to the movies, go on walks, hang out in their respective living rooms watching TV or reading books or listening to the radio... and yet, it's never stated if they're dating again or not. Nobody ever mentions it, nobody ever asks them if they are; not even Rodney and Allison's behavior towards one another leans one way or the other, as they never kiss, but do frequently hold hands.

    The point of the ambiguity is to allow the audience to decide for themselves whether Rodney and Allison get together in the end or not.


    ...Of course, if there's ever a reunion movie made, it would be confirmed that yes, Rodney and Allison do marry. X)
     
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    @Willie Oleson What do you think of the idea of casting Marcia Cross as Hannah Cord?

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    @Willie Oleson For the longest time, while I wanted Norman to murder his mother in Season 4, I couldn't figure out his motive or how he does it. But now, I think I've thought of something... except I'm not entirely sold on this idea. Here it is, so far:

    That same season, Paul Hanley becomes the victim of a hate crime, and dies. Norman is devastated, but then Evelyn calmly remarks that Paul deserved to die. Norman snaps, grabs a heavy metal object (not sure what yet), and strikes his mother so hard she falls down dead.

    After that... I've got nothing. I don't want Norman to get in trouble (cuz let's be honest, his mother had it coming), but I can't think of how that could happen. I thought about maybe Lew (and possibly Allison) helping Norman to stage things like a burglary gone wrong, except that makes them seem too horrible. I also thought about Norman going into shock and repressing the memory, and that he goes over to the Miles house to study with Lew, only for Sgt. Walker to show up to inform Norman his mother was found dead; but even that I'm not too sure about.

    As always, I'm open to ideas.
     
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    If the shock causes him to lose his memory (about this particular event) then he'll look innocent and the police will be looking for another culprit. But who should be wrongly accused and convicted?
     
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    ....I've been inspired. You know how you weren't quite sold on the idea of Jack Chandler abducting Allison in Season 5? How about instead, he's the one who's wrongly accused and convicted of Evelyn Page's murder? I mean, talk about irony: he gets away with killing his wife, and is on the verge of killing the only witness, only to be accused/convicted of a crime he didn't commit, and that's how he receives his punishment.



    Also, this is a little off the topic, but I also remember you weren't quite sold on the idea of Betty Anderson being made Hispanic for this remake. I thought of a possible compromise: Betty's father, George, is white, but her mother, Julie, is Hispanic.

    I can see Marion Partridge, because she hates how "loose" Betty is, often referring to her as a "crossbred slut."
     
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    @Willie Oleson Also, today, I checked out the book version of "Peyton Place." I've already read the first few chapters (they're all short, so it was easy to do), and already I feel justified in making Selena Cross black, because the way how she's described:

    "Selena had long dark hair that curled of its own accord in a softly beautiful fashion. Her eyes, too, were dark and slightly slanted, and she had a naturally red, full-lipped mouth over well-shaped, startlingly white teeth. Her skin was clear and of a honey-tan shade which looked as if it had been acquired under the sun which, on Selena, never faded to sallowness in the long months of the harsh New England winter. 'Put a pair of gold hoops in her ears,' said Miss Thorton, 'and she'd look like everybody's idea of a perfect gypsy.'"

    So it really wouldn't be too much of a stretch to cast a black actress for the part. :)
     
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    Then I'd make Selena the hispanic character. Heck, even the name sounds a bit Spanish.
     
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    Hmm... you may be right on that one. I'd have to readjust a lot of my mental images now. :lol:

    But I'm more than halfway through the book now. Its a fascinating read, mostly because I'm seeing the source material of the whole Peyton Place saga for the first time. Did you know that in the book, there was a carnival accident? Plus, there was also a forest fire, and I think I'd include that in the remake show. :D

    Also, the way how the book describes Allison (skinny, flat, big eyes, long hair), at first I was imagining Mia Farrow, but now I'm imagining Leigh Taylor Young, because it said Allison's hair is brown.

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    Plus, the book also described Betty Anderson exactly how I would have cast her: overdeveloped for her age. :lol: So far, her hair and eye colors haven't been mentioned.

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    Another surprise for me is that the book described Norman Page almost exactly how I would have cast him: a thin, feminine-looking boy.

    Rodney Harrington, however, has curly black hair in the book, and is only 5'8, unlike the golden-haired, 6'1 Ryan O'Neal.
     
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    Yes, that's why I want to see it on NuPeyton Place, but more like a big season finale cliffhanger:)
    Some girl lost her arm (I think) but I don't remember who it was.
     
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    Agreed, it would make a great season finale cliffhanger. :D

    The girl who lost her arm was Kathy Ellsworth, Allison's friend after she and Selena stopped hanging out. I don't think I'll include Kathy in NuPeyton Place, because there's already a lot of characters, and some of her stuff can be divided up between either Selena (losing her arm in the carnival accident) or Betty (there's a scene in the book where she casually mentions to Allison, "Some boy screwed me once.").
     
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    @Willie Oleson Welp! I finished the entire book. Now all I have to do is see if the library has "Return to Peyton Place", because the first book left on kind've a dis-satisfactory note. Particularly where Norman Page is concerned. I hope he turns up again in the sequel.
     
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    @Willie Oleson Here's an idea or two that was inspired by the book.

    In the novel, Rodney Harrington's mother is Elizabeth Fuller, "a tall, slim girl who had the aristocratic look which sometimes comes after generations of inbreeding." She was originally engaged to Seth Buswell (the newspaper editor), but Leslie Harrington stole her away. They were married for less than 10 years before she died giving birth to Rodney. But here's the really twisted part: for their first 8 years together, Elizabeth miscarried 8 times. Every doctor and specialist Leslie dragged his "frail, tired wife" to, told him that she would not survive another pregnancy. But what started out as a desire for a son and heir became an obsession for Leslie Harrington, and when Elizabeth got pregnant in their 9th year of marriage, he hired a doctor and two nurses, who kept his wife on bed-rest the entire 9 months. After Elizabeth gave birth to her son, she only lived long enough to hear him cry once. She died even before one of the nurses could clean the baby and put him by his mother's side. And what did Leslie Harrington feel? Triumph. A greater feeling of triumph than he had ever known as he held his son for the first time. And he felt no horror at what he had done to his poor wife.

    But that was the book's version. What I had in mind for NuPeyton Place was this:

    Catherine Peyton is not Rodney's mother, but his stepmother. His birth mother was, of course, Elizabeth Fuller. What had happened to her was pretty much what happened in the book, only she was originally engaged to Matthew Swain (as he's the newspaper editor in this version).

    Rodney gets on very well with his indulgent father, but he is not fond of his demanding, selfish, narcissistic and cruel stepmother. When Rodney first starts hanging out with Allison, he confides in her that, as a small child, after hearing the story of "Cinderella" read to him, he became terrified at the idea that he father could die, leaving Rodney all alone with his stepmother. Allison guiltily says she's had a similar thought for most of her life: what if it had been her mother who died, and her wonderful, princely father had lived? (This is one of the several things Rodney and Allison end up bonding over: a preference for the fathers in their lives as opposed to the mothers.)

    When Catherine Harrington dies, Rodney again confides in Allison. He tells her he can't help but feel a little guilty at feeling relieved that it was his stepmother who ended up dying first. Allison thinks Rodney should feel more than a *little* guilty... but at the same time, she can understand why.

    Very soon after this, Martin Peyton becomes more involved in his step-grandson's life. Although the two previously had little in the way of interaction, Martin and Rodney somehow manage to start a rapport with one another. This gets Martin to concede that, even though Rodney was not Catherine's son, he was still a legitimate child; and had been adopted by Catherine; and Rodney was handsome, charming, and seemed clever and capable enough (plus Rodney never spoke ill of Catherine around Martin, or anybody else except Allison); therefore, he was "worthy enough" to inherit Martin's vast fortune after all.

    But then comes along Steven Cord. In Season 1, he is merely a recurring character without much importance (aside from the fact that his eyes are continuously drawn towards Betty whenever she's around), but in Season 2, it is discovered (not sure how its discovered; as always, I'm open to ideas) he is the blood-son of Catherine Harrington.

    Leslie Harrington is instantly threatened, realizing this could mean Martin Peyton will leave everything to Steven and leave Rodney out in the cold... ignoring the fact that Rodney still would have Leslie's own fortune to look forward to.

    However, Martin Peyton proves to hate bastards. Particularly *this* bastard, Steven Cord, who is "the spawn of the scum who seduced my daughter!" But Steven's not going to let go of what could be his without a fight. Thus begins a war between Steven, Rodney, Leslie and Martin, with Hannah sneaking around all four of them, pretending to help Martin, but really wanting Steven to get everything.


    In Season 7, Hannah produces something that could be the final decision in the matter: a letter allegedly written by Rodney's birth mother, Elizabeth, to her ex-fiance, Matthew Swain. The letter reveals that Matthew, who's been dead since Season 6, could be Rodney's father... and therefore making Rodney not only a bastard, something which Martin Peyton hates, but also making him Allison's distant cousin to boot.

    Thankfully, Martin Peyton realizes the letter could be a fake, especially considering how it was discovered after Matthew Swain had died, so that he could neither confirm or deny what the piece of paper said. So he decides to do a bit more investigating, and even suspects Hannah of faking the letter.

    As for Rodney, this bit of news shakes him up, especially since this means he could have lost not one father, but two. Allison, however, refuses to believe the letter: "Why, you look exactly like Leslie Harrington did, and nothing like how Matthew Swain did. The former has got to be your father, I'm sure of it!"

    I'm thinking Martin, who's health is rapidly declining, finds out that the letter is indeed a fake. So he decides that the best way to punish Hannah is to release Ann Howard from the sanitarium. With his last few ounces of strength, Martin writes out a confession of where Ann is, and, after putting it in an envelope, has a maid/nurse hide it in the safe behind Betty's portrait, which he leaves to Betty herself. He had the letter hidden so Hannah could not destroy it.


    There! How does that sound? :)
     
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    @Willie Oleson Building up on the above idea about Catherine Harrington being only Steven's stepmother:

    In Season 3, when Betty weds Steven, Martin Peyton starts pressuring Betty to have a child right away. Betty defies him, as she's not entirely ready just yet. Martin doesn't mind this defiance, as it reminds him of his precious daughter, Catherine. But he doesn't want Betty to get pregnant for Steven's sake. Martin's plans are, as soon as Betty becomes pregnant, he'll start sabotaging her and Steven's marriage so that they'll get a divorce. Then Martin will push Betty and her fatherless child onto Rodney.

    That way, the Peyton bloodline will carry on through Betty's son (but with the "tarnish" of bastard-child Steven gone; at one point, Martin will say to him, "Your only redeeming trait is that my daughter's blood flows in your veins!"), who will also inherit Rodney's Harrington money.

    So that's Martin Peyton's goal for the rest of the series, though there are some obstacles in his way: Rodney is still hung up on Allison, who refuses to heed Martin's subtle warnings about staying away from his step-grandson; Leslie Harrington approves of his son's relationship with Allison and supports them, even to the point of openly opposing Martin's objections; Steven is determined to make his marriage to Betty work and fights doggedly for it (although at times, it looks as though he's doing it out of pride rather than love); Betty is reluctant to even have a baby in the first place.

    But Martin Peyton, miserable old man that he is, is equally determined to have his way.
     
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    @Willie Oleson You remember how I described my vision of how Allison looks in the first season? All "Alice in Wonderland"-y, right? Well, I ended up deciding to make a collection of pictures (mostly consisting of dress-pattern pictures I googled of 1960s fashion) of how I'd have Allison look throughout the whole series... and ended up doing the same thing with Constance, Selena, Betty and Alma.



    First up, here's Allison MacKenzie:
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    The photo on the far left is how I imagined Allison would look in the pilot episode; very "Alice in Wonderland." She looks like this for pretty much the first two seasons, until she has her breakdown in the Season 2 finale and cuts her hair (I imagine that scene playing out in exactly one take: I'd have the actress sit facing the camera, pretending she's looking in a mirror, and hacking off her own hair with no cut-away's - no pun intended). Then from that point onward, she looks more like the photo on the right, as well as the drawings. In fact, you see the yellow dress with the flowers? I think I'd have that be the dress Allison puts on when she leaves Peyton Place; she bought it from Doris Schuster's shop because "it looks happy." That, along with her new shoes, new purse, and new haircut, is what causes Betty and Steven to not recognize Allison when they spot her standing alone at night. And when Allison returns in the Season 3 finale, I imagine her wearing the teal dress with the white trim. I'm also thinking that maybe in Season 7, Allison starts to grow her hair out again.





    Next up, we have Constance MacKenzie:
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    I think Constance was the easiest one to think up a style for. Now you see the gray dress in the upper left corner, next to the drawing that looks like Dorothy Malone? That's how I would have Constance look in the first season. Its supposed to represent that she is sexually repressed, living a rather staid lifestyle. Despite her gray clothes and flat hair, however, Constance is the sort of woman who's beauty always manages to shine through. According to Selena Cross, Mrs. MacKenzie is the most beautiful woman in Peyton Place. Pretty much everyone talks about how good-looking she is (there's even a group of old codgers who gather outside City Hall to sit and grouse, and they describe the young blonde widow as being "built like a brick sh*t-house"); and lots of men come into her store to try and have a chance with her. Even Leslie Harrington, the day right after the one-year anniversary of his first wife's death, would strut in and buy a book - every single day for a week, before he finally asked her out. But Constance had the same answer for him as she did for every other man: "No." That is, until later in Season 1, when Principal Kyros comes and asks Constance to chaperone at the prom. She reluctantly agrees... and then Constance's best friend, Alma Miles, who is also chaperoning, encourages Connie to go down to Doris Schuster's dress shop and buy a new gown. Constance is talked into it, and purchases a pink one. Although she returns to her usual gray, after she has her midnight swim with Dr. Rossi, Constance decides to update her wardrobe, and starts wearing a more colors, particularly pink, blue and floral patterns.





    Selena Cross:
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    When looking for images that would be suitable for Selena, I just went with how the book described her. I was rather surprised but pleased when I found a whole bunch that matched the description (plus some of these look like they could pass for Hispanic). Of course, like the other two, Selena starts off the series with a look different from how she looks from the rest of the series. In Season 1 she wears a lot of hand-me-downs, all of which are ill-fitting, faded and ragged. But once she gets a job at Doris Schuster's dress shop, her wardrobe takes a turn for the better. In fact, when she first approaches Mrs. Schuster for a job, Doris tells Selena to wear something more appropriate when she comes in. Embarrassed Selena admits she already has on her best outfit. An awkward silence follows, before Doris presents Selena with a new dress. At first Selena says she won't accept charity - but Doris insists that the dress is merely a "work uniform." So Selena takes it, silently vowing she'll pay the cost back once she can.





    Next up, Betty Anderson:
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    The photos of Barbara Parkins are supposed to represent how I imagine Betty looking in her very first scene in the pilot. While Allison is virginal and Selena is impoverished, Betty is a sexy vamp with her hooks sunk deep into the town's richest boy. Also, I chose the pictures based on not only their clothes (which are more how I imagine she'd dress while married to Steven), but also how similar their hair looked to Parkins' in the photo. The reason is that I'm trying to have as many differences between Betty and Selena as possible (one may be white and the other Hispanic, yet since both would have black hair and dark eyes, there's still the possibility that they'd get mixed up by the audience. So as long as they each have a distinctive hairstyle from each other, that lessens the likelihood).





    Last but by no means least, is Alma Miles:
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    Alma was the hardest of these five to find good images for, mostly because the 1960s offered very little in having black women on dress pattern packets. I ended up having to settle for ladies who simply have similar hairstyles/skin tones to Ruby Dee when she played the part. I also decided to keep with the idea of having Alma represent the White Queen from "Through the Looking-Glass" by giving her 5 different white dresses, though she does get to wear other colors.





    And that's all for now. I might do the same with some of the other characters, but I'm not sure at the moment.
     
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    It's becoming quite a project, Ked!
     
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    Heh, thank you... I guess. :lol: But yeah, whenever I like something, I tend to obsess over it. My brain starts going a million directions at once, looking for idea after idea... you can bet I've lost a lot of sleep over my pet-projects. :lol:


    Btw, regarding Selena being Hispanic now: its got me second-guessing a lot of what I already had in mind for her. Before, I was all set to have Lucas Cross be her birth-father and not her stepfather, because Grace Metalious wanted that originally for the character. She had based Selena off a girl she either knew or knew of, who had been molested by her own father since she was 14. But Grace's publisher told her that the incest storyline was too racy, and so Lucas became Selena's stepfather, which Grace thought unfortunate, because she wanted Selena's abortion to be totally justified.

    Although, I did read an essay a while back, discussing how the town seemed to consider that Selena "owed" herself to her stepfather, regardless of how he treated her. First they say, "He took her in as if she were his own"; and then after the news of him raping her comes to light, "Its not like she was his own." I think that could speak more volumes on just what kind of a town this is (though to be fair, in the actual book, it was more some paranoid individuals who were assuming that's what the town would think).

    But if Lucas in this version is still Selena's stepfather, then he could remain white, as does Paul Cross (since he'd be Selena's stepbrother). Nellie Cross, however, would have to be Hispanic, and Joey Cross would be half-Hispanic, as he was born after Lucas and Nellie wed.


    Another thing I'm second guessing about my original storyline is Selena blackmailing Lew Miles into marrying her. Originally, when I had Selena as black, I was intrigued by the idea of the town's only black boy and girl coming together under a total farce, since Lew was gay and Selena only wanted the Miles family fortune. But now I'm thinking that Selena never marries Lew; and Lew is actually bisexual, going back and forth between Norman Page and Joanne Walker (who, unlike my original version, is no longer a younger student, but is now the same age as Lew).

    Since its the '60s, Lew ends up choosing to stay with Joanne, but he is straight with her (no pun intended) about his proclivities. Joanne would be understanding and agree to never tell anyone... although at one point, Vickie Fletcher finds out about Lew and Norman, and tries to blackmail Lew into marrying her. Lew tells this to Joanne, who confronts Vickie and tries to counter-blackmail her with the fact that Vickie was involved in a hit-and-run, but Vickie won't back down. So Joanne goes to her father, Sergeant Walker, who corners Vickie and threatens to have her arrested as a prostitute ("All I need are a few witnesses, and I know plenty who'd be willing!"). Cowed, Vickie backs off.

    As for Norman, he doesn't end up with a girl. Though I'm not sure just what happens to him yet...
     
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    @Willie Oleson Ended up doing wardrobe collections for Hannah, Marion, Joanne and a kinda-sorta-new-character.

    Hannah Cord
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    I chose a lot of red outfits to keep up the Red Queen motif. Whenever Hannah does something significant (such as the two times she destroyed the portrait of Catherine Harrington), she wears red.





    Marion Partridge
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    From the start, I knew Marion should wear red rose prints, for the motif of her as The Queen of Hearts. But aside from that, I wasn't sure what she should wear. Then I came across a picture of a polka dot dress. I hate polka dots, and I realized that was perfect for Marion. :lol: I also decided Marion would be the type who likes to wear hats, particularly big ones. The book described her as a mediocre person who desperately wants to be seen as important, but it also said she had a deep love of material possessions. Which suggested that Marion didn't really have much of a sense of style or taste.





    Joanne Walker
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    The on-again-off-again girlfriend of Lew Miles, and the only child of the widowed Sgt. Walker. Joanne starts off in the series as more of a secondary character, but in the later seasons she gains more prominence.





    Lee Suen
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    Based off an Asian girl who appeared in the original series:
    (skip to 10:27)

    Allison called the girl "Lee", although when she introduces her to Doris, it sounds like she calls her "Lisa." So I decided to give Lee a last name that began with "S", and found a suitable Chinese surname, "Suen."

    Lee Suen is the best friend of Joanne Walker, and like Joanne, starts off as mostly a secondary character, but gains a bit more prominence in later seasons. She is in the drama club at the Peyton Place High School, and in Season 1, she convinces Selena to play the part of Esmerelda when they put on a play version of "The Hunchback of Notre Dame." Everybody agrees that Selena is perfect for the role... but she proves to be too perfect, for when her lecherous stepfather, Lucas, sees Selena onstage in costume... well...

    Lee's parents own and run The China Dragon, a restaurant that, in the original book, resided in the neighboring town of White River. But for this series, The China Dragon is right in Peyton Place. Its a fairly popular place, as it serves not only delicious food and has beautifully exotic decor, but also offers a small dance floor and musical entertainment.
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    Lee works there during the times where she doesn't have to attend rehearsal. She plans on leaving for New York sometime after high school in order to pursue an acting or possibly a modeling career, much to her parents' concern. They'd like her to at least attend college first.
     
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    Also, I came up with a bit more for Joanne Walker: eventually she gets a job as a nurse at the Peyton Place Hospital. Not only would that help keep her more involved in the town's drama (we all know hospitals are gold mines for drama in *any* TV series), but it would also forge a stronger connection with the going's on of Harry Miles, her future father-in-law, as well as Michael Rossi.
     
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    Can she be Lee Suen Yoowing?
    How very 1960s!
    She's the evil version of Hyacinth Bouquet!
     
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