Elena Ramos' bed hopping from one Cousin to another is disgusting!!

[SteveW]

And maybe her brother ends up sleeping with Rebecca, HAHA...oh god, i hope not!

I think the show does need a JR type character that sleeps around alot, but I agree...not from cousin to cousin to cousin. Can you imagine if Elena discovers she's pregnant next season? Pretty disgusting that she'd have to bring in half the Ewing family for paternity tests.

Back to my idea about a JR type: seems stereotyically easy to make it John Ross & I could believe that, but it'd be believable to twist it, make Chris the slut. John Ross saw his dad hurt every woman he was ever with from Sue Ellen to Cally to Vanessa & everyone in between. Maybe John Ross would be sympathetic to Sue Ellen and treat women differently. However, Chris could have resentment that Pam abandonned him & how Rebecca scammed him and makes him become a woman user.

I agree here - I don't like the idea of the son having to live his father's life. One it seems to easy of an idea and two no account is given to a child's natural tendency to rebel. They've also show us a very loving and hurt side to John Ross. I like your idea. Sleep with Elena - well that wasn't what I was looking for. He could more on to the next girl. Does Rebecca have any sisters? With the teenagers nowadays he could sleep with Elena's brother (not that I have a problem with him being gay or bisexual, I think it would actually explain a lot of his behavior). Seems Ann has a daughter - there you go. Anyone else - did the Andersen's have grandchildren?

[SteveW]

The problem is they never sold us that.I don't know if it was the writing ,the lack of chemistry between Jordana and Jesse or just bad acting but I and it seems like the majority of the viewers don't see the love.I just don't buy their love story.The email just seemed like the perfect excuse to runaway from the the wedding.Why she didn't call him or talk to Bobby or Ann?Why he didn't look fro her willing to find her?John Ross did.So to me at least, they weren't together because they didn't want to.Did she had to be on a relationship with John Ross because she couldn't be with Chris? No one was forcing her.And bottom line I don't know if it was the writing,the chemistry between Josh and Jordana,their acting but that relationship made Elena likeable while it's obvious that Chris makes her unlikeable.

I think the strong reactions against her are more because of how much we dislike the couple than us being prudes.

Thank you. I know I am not a prude - though I do believe there is a connection to love and sex and the love I saw was between John Ross and Elena. What I saw between Chris and Elena was a longing for unfinished business, a longing for an old friendship, that kind of thing. That and sex don't mix well. Friends turning into loves is more a fairytale then a reality from what I've seen. I am and always have been friends with my wife, but more acquaintances before we flirted and then became lovers. So many people like to say we were "friends" and how cute that is. But really we were two people who knew each other then two people who started to flirt and it went from there. This best friends to lovers thing I think can work but it seems more myth to me and I think that might be what some see in Chris and Elena. More like Digger and Miss Ellie.

[Frainer99]

Pam dated Ray before Bobby, although at the time, only Jock knew Ray was a Ewing. Ray married Jenna & Jenna had Bobby's baby.

Jock never knew Ray was his son, till Ray's dad came and tried to blackmail him.

[Tatianna]

The old cliche' "you always hurt the one you love" comes to mind here. John Ross hurt Elena and she retaliated by hurting John Ross. If no one has ever been in that situation, my hat's off to ya , but I'll wager pretty much everybody here has been on either the hurting end or the retaliation side, or even both at some point. Rebound is a natural reflex in most issues of the heart. The fact that John Ross and Christopher are cousins is fodder for controversy, but worse things happen everyday. I still am not convinced Elena and Christopher actually take this all the way. They were both still dressed and passionately making out with a strong intent to finish what they started. I'm reserving judgment until the show comes back next season. If I see them UNDER THE SHEETS FROM THE WAIST DOWN, then that changes the whole plot for me. Until then, anything can happen.

I neither like nor dislike any of them at this point, but Christopher does not seem all that stable in any facet of his existence.

[jeff_ewing]

Not sure if it's true, but I read, I think on here, that there will be a time jump between the season finale and season 2. So it could be we won't be picking up where we left off where Christopher and Elena re concerned.

[FloridianinNC]

I do love how passionate everyone is

But anyway from my point of view they are in love. Elena would not normally jump into bed with anyone, shes not exactly Holly Har'd'wood

They were torn apart through scheming, they were supposed to be married. John Ross was her second choice, rebound. Has nobody ever been in that situation?

I feel like I'm at the Amish Mennonites convention.

My problem isn't so much that the actual situation happened but who it happened with, i.e. Christopher and John Ross - related family.

I really liked in the original series that J.R. and Bobby never had a woman in between them romantically like Elena is with John Ross and Christopher. It was always J.R. vs. Dusty with Sue Ellen or J.R. vs. Cliff with Sue Ellen, etc.

So that's more my problem with the whole thing, and that it will ruin the business so far, not that the scenario actually happened, because it's really Prime Time Soap 101 but just not classical Dallas of a woman getting between family romantically.

[Darius]

Elena was in love with Christopher first, and, if you think about it, probably never stopped loving him. The breakup was manipulated. It wasn't Elena or Christopher's fault. That sucks but they accepted it and tried to move on. Hell, Elena even respected Christopher and Rebecca's relationship. Then the people they ended up with lied to them. Chris and Elena are completely justified in leaving John Ross and Rebecca and reuniting with each other. And bear in mind, I don't even like Christopher. I'm actually rooting for John Ross.

[Possum]

There is a sort of incestuousness about the new series, a kissing cousins sort of thing. We have Rebecca and cousin Christopher, but it isn't a blood relationship and they didn't grow up together, so it doesn't really bother me. We have Elena going back and forth between cousins, which also doesn't bother me except for finding the triangle on the boring side.

They may be pushing it, but they haven't really crossed any borders, in my opinion. A little fresh blood would be welcome, though. Either that or bring back Lucy and Ray to show them how to do it properly.

[Tatianna]

Pam dated Ray before Bobby, although at the time, only Jock knew Ray was a Ewing. Ray married Jenna & Jenna had Bobby's baby.

When Pam and Ray dated, even Jock did not know Ray was his son. However, Ray already knew he was Jock's son when he and Jenna "made it in the hay" in the barn. So there was a blood connection between them.

[Wildcatter]

I don't think they were really around each other after the email. Christopher said by the time he found Elena she was in Mexico with John Ross and then he took off for China. So I took it that the first time they saw each since before the email was at Southfork in the pilot.

The story doesn't make sense.They both lived in Southfork they had to be back there at some point before travel anywhere. And why he didn't fight for her if he loved her that much?

[quiche]

I dislike her, and actually thought the show improved some when on some episodes she didn't have that many scenes. Unfortunately, I hear they are adding a brother of hers to the show so I am afraid she will be getting even more screentime than she usually does.

A good question is whether to just get rid of Elena, or re-cast. Given they have a story with her brother, then it looks like our best hope is if there is last moment re-cast. Get the Marta actress!

[Miss Lush]

I agree with what was said before: The triangle has a a bit of an "Ugh" factor.

The problem is not that Elena slept/is with Christopher now, the problem is that she probably will be switching cousins back and forth. She will definitely sleep with John Ross again, hell...it's a soap. I'm not a prude but the sleeping around within the family is rather disgusting. The SE/JR/Cliff thing was different because at least Cliff wasn't a member of the immediate family.

Granted, Lucy and Ray slept together but that was before they knew that Ray is her uncle. April slept with JR before her relationship with Bobby but it was not a constant triangle, she didn't go back to JR once she got together with Bobby. And that - no doubt about it - is what's going to happen here with John Ross/Chris/Elena and it's a tad "Yuk", IMO.

[jeff_ewing]

When Pam and Ray dated, even Jock did not know Ray was his son. However, Ray already knew he was Jock's son when he and Jenna "made it in the hay" in the barn. So there was a blood connection between them.

You have me confused with that one. Ray and Jenna aren't blood related.

[Tessie]

You have me confused with that one. Ray and Jenna aren't blood related.

I think her point is that Ray and Bobby are related, and both slept with Pam and Jenna. Ray also slept with SE. JR and Bobby both slept with April. Too close for comfort in that family.

[SteveW]

My problem isn't so much that the actual situation happened but who it happened with, i.e. Christopher and John Ross - related family.

I really liked in the original series that J.R. and Bobby never had a woman in between them romantically like Elena is with John Ross and Christopher. It was always J.R. vs. Dusty with Sue Ellen or J.R. vs. Cliff with Sue Ellen, etc.

So that's more my problem with the whole thing, and that it will ruin the business so far, not that the scenario actually happened, because it's really Prime Time Soap 101 but just not classical Dallas of a woman getting between family romantically.

His my issue - once Jock died show focused on JR and Bobby - they had massive fights but they were brothers. You could count on that. Nothing they did ever destroyed that relationship. If JR had slept with Pam or Bobby with Sue Ellen it would be Jock and Digger - over. You enter a world of total fantasy to believe two brothers / cousins can live with each other doing that. So what you counted on, what was stable about the show, what you appreciated - stayed in put. Nothing about this new Dallas is worth watching but the conflict. That's all they have. No family diners. No two people you know are bound together. Nothing. Long run the show can't last like that. I can't think of a single show that I've watched where at least something isn't a sacred truth like JR and Bobby and the Ewing Brothers, good, bad and ugly, nothing changes that. Even loosing Pam because of JR didn't shake Bobby in the long run.

[Tatianna]

I think her point is that Ray and Bobby are related, and both slept with Pam and Jenna. Ray also slept with SE. JR and Bobby both slept with April. Too close for comfort in that family.

LOL, My whole intent was phptk had posted:"Pam dated Ray before Bobby, although at the time, only Jock knew Ray was a Ewing. " But really Jock didn't know it until much later. Thanks for the clarification.

[agpsummerlin]

I do love how passionate everyone is

But anyway from my point of view they are in love. Elena would not normally jump into bed with anyone, shes not exactly Holly Har'd'wood

They were torn apart through scheming, they were supposed to be married. John Ross was her second choice, rebound. Has nobody ever been in that situation?

I feel like I'm at the Amish Mennonites convention.

The puritanical righteousness in the denigration of Elena's character just because she has had a romantic/sexual relationship with both John Ross and Christopher is almost comical. I feel like I've been thrust back into the high Victorian era. Sheesh. How many women did John Ross's father bed in his time -- including his wife and his wife's sister? The double standard as regards Elena is absolutely astonishing.

[ohptk]

LOL, My whole intent was phptk had posted:"Pam dated Ray before Bobby, although at the time, only Jock knew Ray was a Ewing. " But really Jock didn't know it until much later. Thanks for the clarification.

LOL its been ages since ive seen the episode with Ray's "dad" i'd forgotten that. I just thought that Jock really knew, just never said it.

However, true enough, it was well known when Jenna swapped from Bobby to Ray, but at least back in those days it wasn't a constant back & forth. She was done with Bobby unlike Elena who swaps within the same season and then back! At the same time, Bobby had the virtue to stay away from Holly Harwood because she'd been with JR. It almost even kept him from April - i'm glad he broke his rules, because I really liked Bobby with April!

[B.J. Ewing]

Now, I don't dislike her but the way that Cynthia Cidre and her staff have written her is a real turn off and I think it's that way for many. My aunt even commented on this saying that the character is now slutty and trampish. Josh Ross and Christopher can compare notes about her performance in the sack. Gross!

Rebecca has her issues but one of the things I like about her so far is that he has not been with John Ross that way and she has no intimate history with him either and that is the way it needs to stay. Having the four of them switching partners sexually will turn many viewers off in my opinion. I hope she does not go there.

I hope Cynthia Cidre reads this forums and others. She should listen to fan opinion.

Tis IS Dallas, you know, not The Waltons.

[Tatianna]

LOL its been ages since ive seen the episode with Ray's "dad" i'd forgotten that. I just thought that Jock really knew, just never said it.

I know. Sometime it is difficult to remember the actual timeline on everything that happened and things get a bit fuzzy.