Bible verses the family values crowd NEVER quote

[Darius]

Genesis

Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes.--19:18
Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father -- 19:32

It's okay to pimp your daughters!

And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose -- 19:33

Incest is Best!

Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father -- 19:34

And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose -- 19:35

Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. -- 19:36

And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and ... offer him there for a burnt offering. -- 22:2

And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. -- 22:10

Go ahead, kill your son, even though he's done nothing wrong

And Rachel said, Therefore he shall lie with thee to night for thy son's mandrakes. -- 30:15

Thou must come in unto me; for surely I have hired thee with my son's mandrakes. And he lay with her that night. -- 30:16

Exodus

If thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.--4:23

For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and will smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast.--12:12

At midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.--12:29

The LORD slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man, and the firstborn of beast.--13:15

Who says the Lord hates murder?

He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.--21:15

And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless.--22:24

Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side ... and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.--32:27

Leviticus

More reasons to kill people!

For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death.--20:9

And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death.--20:12

If a man take a wife and her mother, it is wickedness: they shall be burnt with fire, both he and they.--20:14

And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.--21:9

If thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee.--25:39

Of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families ... and they shall be your possession.--25:45

I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.--26:16

I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children.--26:22

And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.--26:29

Cannibalism is a family value--hooray!

Numbers

God says kill the ugly women, keep the ones you want to bang

And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.--31:15-19

Deuteronomy

More killing

And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain.--2:34

And we utterly destroyed them, ... utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city.--3:6

I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation.--5:9

And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword: But the women ... shalt thou take unto thyself.--20:13-14

Relaz, Thomas Jefferson. It's ok to have sex with your slave. Never mind those pesky rape laws

And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her .... Thou shalt go in unto her.--21:11-13

If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated ....--21:15

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ....--22:13

I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid. Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city.--22:14-15

These are the tokens of my daughter's virginity.--22:18-21

a few more reasons to kill people

But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die.--22:20-21

If a man be found lying with a woman married to an husband, then they shall both of them die.--22:22

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city.--22:23-24

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation. -- 23:2

illegitimate kids go to hell

When two men strive together on with another, and the wife of the one ... putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her.--25:11-12

Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body.--28:18

Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her.--28:30

Swingers are cool with the Lord

Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long.--28:32



Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.--28:41

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.--28:53

So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat.--28:55

The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter, and toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them.--28:56-57

The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.--32:25

Joshua

And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.--6:21

Judges

if you can't pimp your daughters, pimp your wife

Behold, here is my daughter a maiden, and his concubine; them I will bring out now, and humble ye them, and do with them what seemeth good unto you.--19:24

But the men would not hearken to him: so the man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning.--19:25

1 Samuel

government sanctioned torture and sadism in the military

And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies.--18:25

Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.--18:27

2 Samuel

Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will raise up evil against thee out of thine own house, and I will take thy wives before thine eyes, and give them unto thy neighbour, and he shall lie with thy wives in the sight of this sun.--12:11

child-killing, incest, adultery--no worries, the Lord enjoys all those things

Because by this deed thou hast given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme, the child also that is born unto thee shall surely die. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick.... And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died.--12:14-15

And when she had brought them unto him to eat, he took hold of her, and said unto her, Come lie with me, my sister.--13:11

Go in unto thy father's concubines, which he hath left to keep the house .... So they spread Absalom a tent upon the top of the house; and Absalom went in unto his father's concubines in the sight of all Israel.--16:21-22

Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD in Gibeah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose.--21:6

1 Kings

sanctity of marriage? check this out

And he had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines.--11:3

He laid the foundation thereof in Abiram his firstborn, and set up the gates thereof in his youngest son Segub, according to the word of the LORD.--16:34

Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.--21:29

2 Kings

As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.--2:23-24

The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever.--5:27

more cannibalism

This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son tomorrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him--6:28-29

They took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel.--10:7

Therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.--15:16

2 Chronicles

the Lord goes on a killing spree

Behold, with a great plague will the LORD smite thy people, and thy children, and thy wives, and all thy goods. And thou shalt have great sickness by disease of thy bowels, until thy bowels fall out.--21:14

Esther

Then said Esther, If it please the king ... let Haman's ten sons be hanged upon the gallows. And the king commanded it so to be done ... and they hanged Haman's ten sons--9:13

Psalms

Let his children be continually vagabonds, and beg: let them seek their bread also out of their desolate places.--109:10

Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.--137:9

Irony of ironies

To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever.--136:10

Proverbs

wanna beat your kids? go ahead the Lord approves

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.--13:24

Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.--22:15

Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die.--23:13-14

The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.--30:17

Isaiah

more child-killing

Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.--13:16

Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.--13:18

Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.--14:21

Jeremiah

Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, Behold, I will punish them: the young men shall die by the sword; their sons and their daughters shall die by famine.--11:22

Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land ... with drunkenness. And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.--13:13-14

And the people to whom they prophesy shall be cast out in the streets of Jerusalem because of the famine and the sword; and they shall have none to bury them, them, their wives, nor their sons, nor their daughters: for I will pour their wickedness upon them.--14:16

Deliver up their children to the famine, and pour out their blood by the force of the sword; and let their wives be bereaved of their children, and be widows; and let their men be put to death; let their young men be slain by the sword in battle.--18:21

you guessed it--more cannibalism

And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend.--19:9

With thee also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid.--51:22

Lamentations

Behold, O LORD, and consider to whom thou hast done this. Shall the women eat their fruit, and children?--2:20

The young and the old lie on the ground in the streets: my virgins and my young men are fallen by the sword; thou hast slain them in the day of thine anger; thou hast killed, and not pitied.--2:21

The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat.--4:10

Ezekiel

The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers.--5:10

Let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark.--9:5-6

And I will set my jealousy against thee, and they shall deal furiously with thee: they shall take away thy nose and thine ears; and thy remnant shall fall by the sword: they shall take thy sons and thy daughters; and thy residue shall be devoured by the fire.--23:25

And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords; they shall slay their sons and their daughters.--23:47

And her daughters which are in the field shall be slain by the sword; and they shall know that I am the LORD.--26:6

And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord GOD: every man's sword shall be against his brother.--38:21

Hosea

I will not have mercy upon her children; for they be the children of whoredoms.--2:4

Therefore your daughters shall commit whoredom, and your spouses shall commit adultery.--4:13

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.--9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb.--9:16

Their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.--13:16

Amos

A man and his father will go in unto the same maid, to profane my holy name.--2:7

Zechariah

And it shall come to pass, that when any shall yet prophesy, then his father and his mother that begat him shall say unto him, Thou shalt not live; for thou speakest lies in the name of the LORD: and his father and his mother that begat him shall thrust him through when he prophesieth.--13:3

Matthew

Jesus wants to break up your family

For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. -- 10:35-36

He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. -- 10:37

God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.--15:4

Mark

For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.--7:10

Luke

If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.--14:26
Revelation

I will kill her children with death.--2:23

[Scarlett]

Darius, did you find this on your own or on the Internet???

[david1987]

So you're the guy Kelly Clarkson wrote that song about huh?

[fireweaver]

Darius, did you find this on your own or on the Internet???

Scarlett - none of that stuff is a state secret or anything. Check this.
Also, any diligent bible-reader would spot this sort of thing.

Seriously, the bible is no guide to morality or anything else useful.

[Darius]

Darius, did you find this on your own or on the Internet???

A friend sent most of the verses to me in an email. The red comments are my own. And for the record, I've read the Bible cover to cover several times. My point is that Bible thumpers are highly selective in which Bible verses they choose to harp about. Jesus, for example, never had a word to say--not one word--about homosexuality or abortion, yet this is what the religious fascists always get their pantys in a wad over. Gluttony is a sin yet they never protest all you can eat buffets. Ditto with greed and Wall Street.

[david1987]

Matthew 5:17-18
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear,
not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

--
Round one to me.

[fireweaver]

Matthew 5:17-18
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear,
not even the smallest detail of God’s law will disappear until its purpose is achieved.

--
Round one to me.

Which actually goes down with a resounding thud since it does not address Darius' comment. There are all kinds of "sins" in the babble. Most of us commit one or more of them on a daily basis. None to my knowledge has ever been splattered by a divine lightning bolt or the like. So the score is more like: World = 1, david1987 = 0.

[CarlD]

Darius, did you find this on your own or on the Internet???

Whoever originated this has a WHOLE lot of time on their hands !!!

[Scarlett]

The Bible has a ton to say on homosexuality:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (NIV)

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).

[Scarlett]

The Bible does have something to say about abortion, even if that word is not used.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/brochures/thebible.html

The Bible's Teaching Against Abortion

By: Fr. Frank A. Pavone

The Bible clearly teaches that abortion is wrong. This teaching comes across in many ways and for many reasons. Some people point out that the word "abortion" is not in the Bible, and that is true. Nevertheless, the teaching about abortion is there. This is the case with many teachings. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible, but the teaching about the Trinity is there. In any case, a person who wants to deny the teaching about abortion would deny it even if the word were there.

Let’s look at some of the Biblical reasons why abortion, the deliberate destruction of a child in the womb, is very wrong.

1. The Bible teaches that human life is different from other types of life, because human beings are made in the very image of God.

The accounts of the creation of man and woman in Genesis (Genesis 1:26-31; 2:4-25) tell us this: "God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them" (Genesis 1:27).

The word "create" is used three times here, emphasizing a special crowning moment in the whole process of God’s making the world and everything in it. The man and woman are given "dominion" over everything else in the visible world.

Not even the original sin takes away the image of God in human beings. St. James refers to this image and says that because of it we should not even speak ill of one another. "With [the tongue] we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings who are made in the image of God . . . This ought not be so, brothers" (James 3:9-10).

The image of God! This is what it means to be human! We are not just a bunch of cells randomly thrown together by some impersonal forces. Rather, we really reflect an eternal God who knew us from before we were made, and purposely called us into being.

At the heart of the abortion tragedy is the question raised in the Psalms: "Lord, what is man that you care for him, mortal man that you keep him in mind? . . . With glory and honor you crowned him, giving him power over the works of your hands" (Psalm 8:5-7).

There is the key. Not only did God make us, but He values us. The Bible tells us of a God who is madly in love with us, so much so that He became one of us and even died for us while we were still offending Him (see Romans 5:6-8). In the face of all this, can we say that human beings are disposable, like a car that becomes more trouble than it is worth? "God doesn’t make junk." If you believe the Bible, you have to believe that human life is sacred, more sacred than we have ever imagined!

2. The Bible teaches that children are a blessing.

God commanded our first parents to "Be fertile and multiply" (Genesis 1:28). Why? God Himself is fertile. Love always overflows into life. When the first mother brought forth the first child, she exclaimed, "I have brought forth a man with the help of the Lord" (Genesis 4:1). The help of the Lord is essential, for He has dominion over human life and is its origin. Parents cooperate with God in bringing forth life. Because this whole process is under God’s dominion, it is sinful to interrupt it. The prophet Amos condemns the Ammonites "because they ripped open expectant mothers in Gilead" (Amos 1:13).

"Truly children are a gift from the Lord; the fruit of the womb is a reward" (Psalm 127:3).

3. The Bible teaches that the child in the womb is truly a human child, who even has a relationship with the Lord.

The phrase "conceived and bore" is used repeatedly (see Genesis 4:1,17) and the individual has the same identity before as after birth. "In sin my mother conceived me," the repentant psalmist says in Psalm 51:7. The same word is used for the child before and after birth (Brephos, that is, "infant," is used in Luke 1:41 and Luke 18:15.)

God knows the preborn child. "You knit me in my mother’s womb . . . nor was my frame unknown to you when I was made in secret" (Psalm 139:13,15). God also helps and calls the preborn child. "You have been my guide since I was first formed . . . from my mother’s womb you are my God" (Psalm 22:10-11). "God… from my mother’s womb had set me apart and called me through his grace" (St. Paul to the Galatians 1:15).

4. Scripture repeatedly condemns the killing of the innocent.

This flows from everything that has been seen so far. God’s own finger writes in stone the commandment "Thou shalt not kill" (Exodus 20:13, Deuteronomy 5:17) and Christ reaffirms it (Matthew 19:18 - notice that He mentions this commandment first). The Book of Revelation affirms that (unrepentant) murderers cannot enter the kingdom of heaven (Revelation 22:15).

The killing of children is especially condemned by God through the prophets. In the land God gave his people to occupy, foreign nations had the custom of sacrificing some of their children in fire. God told His people that they were not to share in this sin. They did, however, as Psalm 106 relates: "They mingled with the nations and learned their works…They sacrificed their sons and their daughters to demons, and they shed innocent blood, the blood of their sons and their daughters, whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan, desecrating the land with bloodshed" (Psalm 106:35, 37-38).

This sin of child-sacrifice, in fact, is mentioned as one of the major reasons that the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians and the people taken into exile. "They mutilated their sons and daughters by fire…till the Lord, in his great anger against Israel, put them away out of his sight" (2 Kings 17:17-18).

Notice that this practice was a religious ritual. Not even for "religious freedom" can the killing of children be tolerated.

5. The Bible teaches that God is a God of justice.

An act of justice is an act of intervention for the helpless, an act of defense for those who are too weak to defend themselves. In foretelling the Messiah, Psalm 72 says, "Justice shall flower in his days…for he shall rescue the poor man when he cries out and the afflicted when he has no one to help him" (Psalms 72:7,12). Jesus Christ is our justice (1 Corinthians 1:30) because He rescued us from sin and death when we had none to help us (see Romans 5:6, Ephesians 2:4-5).

If God does justice for His people, He expects His people to do justice for one another. "Be merciful as your heavenly Father is merciful" (Luke 6:36). "Go and do likewise" (Luke 10:37). "Do unto others as you would have them do to you" (Matthew 7:12). "Love one another" (John 15:17).

Abortion is the opposite of these teachings. It is a reversal of justice. It is a destruction of the helpless rather than a rescue of them. If God’s people do not intervene to save those whose lives are attacked, then the people are not pleasing or worshiping Him.

God says through Isaiah, "Trample my courts no more! Bring no more worthless offerings…Your festivals I detest…When you spread out your hands, I close my eyes to you; though you pray the more, I will not listen. Your hands are full of blood! Wash yourselves clean…learn to do good. Make justice your aim: redress the wronged, hear the orphan’s plea, defend the widow" (Isaiah 1:13-17).

Indeed, those who worship God but support abortion are falling into the same contradiction as God’s people of old, and need to hear the same message.

6. Jesus Christ paid special attention to the poor, the despised, and those whom the rest of society considered insignificant.

He broke down the false barriers that people set up among themselves, and instead acknowledged the equal human dignity of every individual, despite what common opinion might say. Hence we see Him reach out to children despite the efforts of the apostles to keep them away (Matthew 19:13-15); to tax collectors and sinners despite the objections of the Scribes (Mark 2:16); to the blind despite the warnings of the crowd (Matthew 20:29-34); to a foreign woman despite the utter surprise of the disciples and of the woman herself (John 4:9, 27); to Gentiles despite the anger of the Jews (Matthew 21:41-46); and to the lepers, despite their isolation from the rest of society (Luke 17:11-19).

When it comes to human dignity, Christ erases distinctions. St. Paul declares, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave or free person, there is not male and female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galatians 3:28).

We can likewise say, "There is neither born nor unborn." Using this distinction as a basis for the value of life or the protection one deserves is meaningless and offensive to all that Scripture teaches. The unborn are the segment of our society which is most neglected and discriminated against. Christ Himself surely has a special love for them.

7. Scripture teaches us to love.

St. John says, "This is the message you have heard from the beginning: we should love one another, unlike Cain who belonged to the evil one and slaughtered his brother" (1 John 3:11-12). Love is directly contrasted with slaughter. To take the life of another is to break the command of love. To fail to help those in need and danger is also to fail to love.

Christ teaches this clearly in the parable of the Good Samaritan (Luke 10:25-37), in the story of the rich man and Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), and in many other places.

No group of people is in more serious danger than the boys and girls in the womb. "If someone…sees a brother in need and refuses him compassion, how can the love of God remain in Him?" (1 John 3:17).

8. Life is victorious over death.

This is one of Scripture’s most basic themes. The victory of life is foretold in the promise that the head of the serpent, through whom death entered the world, would be crushed (see Genesis 3:15).

Isaiah promised, "He will destroy death forever" (Isaiah 25:8). At the scene of the first murder, the soil "opened its mouth" to swallow Abel’s blood. At the scene of the final victory of life, it is death itself that "will be swallowed up in victory. Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?…Thanks be to God who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Corinthians 15:54-57).

Abortion is death. Christ came to conquer death, and therefore abortion. "I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full" (John 10:10).

The final outcome of the battle for life has already been decided by the Resurrection of Christ. We are not just working for victory; we are working from victory. We joyfully take a victory that has already been won, and proclaim, celebrate, and serve it until He comes again to bring it to its fullness. "There shall be no more death" (Revelation 21:4). "Amen. Come, Lord Jesus!" (Revelation 22:20).

[CarlD]

The Bible has a ton to say on homosexuality:

Leviticus 18:22 - "Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable." (NIV)

Leviticus 20:13 - "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads." (NIV)

Romans 1:26-27 - "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion." (NIV)

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 - "Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God." (NIV).

Some forget the Bible is the word of GOD, not the word of Jesus.

I also agree with Darius on how SOME Christians pick and choose the bible verses they want to follow.

[Scarlett]

I've always subscribed to the theory of God the Father (creator), God the son (Jesus when he came down to Earth in human form), and God the Holy Spirit (he lives in those who accept HIM).

Darius, you mentioned that you've read the Bible before, so you must know the whole story of Moses, the Israelites, and Pharaoh. Moses warned Pharaoh and the Egyptians what would happen if he did not let the Israelite slaves leave Egypt. Pharaoh didn't listen. God used the plagues as a last resort - Pharaoh had free will and he used it.

The God I know is a loving and forgiving God; if he wasn't we'd all be dead and going straight to Hell.

Also, your reference to nearly burning Isaac does not mention that God did not intend for Abraham to go through with it (rather it was a test of faith for Abraham). The Lord actually provided Abraham and Isaac with an animal to sacrifice. When people tend to take certain sentences or verses out of the Bible (without reading the whole passage) you can manipulate the Bible to your will, which is what the original author of your email seems to have done.

[david1987]

Whoever originated this has a WHOLE lot of time on their hands !!!

It's always the ones who aren't interested in it or bothered about it who call themselves experts on the subject...

[CarlD]

I've always subscribed to the theory of God the Father (creator), God the son (Jesus when he came down to Earth in human form), and God the Holy Spirit (he lives in those who accept HIM).

Darius, you mentioned that you've read the Bible before, so you must know the whole story of Moses, the Israelites, and Pharaoh. Moses warned Pharaoh and the Egyptians what would happen if he did not let the Israelite slaves leave Egypt. Pharaoh didn't listen. God used the plagues as a last resort - Pharaoh had free will and he used it.The God I know is a loving and forgiving God; if he wasn't we'd all be dead and going straight to Hell.

Also, your reference to nearly burning Isaac does not mention that God did not intend for Abraham to go through with it (rather it was a test of faith for Abraham). The Lord actually provided Abraham and Isaac with an animal to sacrifice. When people tend to take certain sentences or verses out of the Bible (without reading the whole passage) you can manipulate the Bible to your will, which is what the original author of your email seems to have done.

There are also many groups besides the "family values" crowd, that like to select only parts of the Bible to help their agenda.

[SnarkyOracle!]

Wow. No one has still addressed Darius' point at all.

And it's so interesting how david1987 and Carl are drawn to All Topics Gay.

[fireweaver]

Wow. No one has still addressed Darius' point at all.

And it's so interesting how david1987 and Carl are drawn to All Topics Gay.

Here's some verses in the bible that nobody seems to care about. It's called "good stuff".

[fireweaver]

It's always the ones who aren't interested in it or bothered about it who call themselves experts on the subject...

And I'll bet you cannot figure out the reason why.

[Darius]

I've always subscribed to the theory of God the Father (creator), God the son (Jesus when he came down to Earth in human form), and God the Holy Spirit (he lives in those who accept HIM).

Darius, you mentioned that you've read the Bible before, so you must know the whole story of Moses, the Israelites, and Pharaoh. Moses warned Pharaoh and the Egyptians what would happen if he did not let the Israelite slaves leave Egypt. Pharaoh didn't listen. God used the plagues as a last resort - Pharaoh had free will and he used it.

The God I know is a loving and forgiving God; if he wasn't we'd all be dead and going straight to Hell.

Also, your reference to nearly burning Isaac does not mention that God did not intend for Abraham to go through with it (rather it was a test of faith for Abraham). The Lord actually provided Abraham and Isaac with an animal to sacrifice. When people tend to take certain sentences or verses out of the Bible (without reading the whole passage) you can manipulate the Bible to your will, which is what the original author of your email seems to have done.

I understand the interpretations you cite. I would simply point out that other interpretations are also possible. For example, can you imagine the anguish Abraham must have felt as he raised the knife. God may not have intended him to follow through, but Abraham didn't know that. What kind of god puts a parent through that sort of psychological torture? If god told me to kill my child to prove my devotion, I would conclude that's not a god I want to serve. As for Egypt, the fact remains god killed thousands of innocent people. A god who issues murderous ultimatums--do this or I'll kill your children--is not a god i want to worship.

[SnarkyOracle!]

One of the points I've often made is that while conservative fundamentalists often say "you can't pick and choose" from the scriptures, they pick and choose all the time (as evidenced by Darius' OP) they just want you pick and choose the exact same things they pick and choose.

And, selective to the end, they never really "get" that point.

[david1987]

that's not a god I want to serve. As for Egypt, the fact remains god killed thousands of innocent people. A god who issues murderous ultimatums--do this or I'll kill your children--is not a god i want to worship.

To paraphrase Joni Mitchell, 'You really don't know God at all'.