Victoria Principal - Principal In The Frame For Shock Dallas Return

[Miss Lush]

Logically, there would be more reason for Bobby to be the selfish one. He often took things at face value, and didn't seem capable of looking beyond the surface of what was in front of him. Pam suffered severe physical and emotional trauma, and would have hardly been in the frame of mind to make a drastic life changing decision within weeks of her accident. Bobby entertained the idea that Katherine was involved for all of 2 seconds, and then decided to forget Pam because 7 year old Christopher wisely proclaimed "If she doesn't want us, we don't want her." Yes, Bobby literally let the words of a child influence his decision to let go of Pam. Combine that with Bobby's sexual escapades with various women, and it becomes clear that he had the maturity and insightfulness of a teenager.

Sexual escapades!? He never cheated on Pam while they were together...or have I missed something?

Doesn't Bobby deserve some peace in his life? I mean, he's not like JR. JR is alone because he's old and nobody wants anything to do with him anymore. He deserved everything he got and more. He really messed things up with SE who was the only person that really loved him despite his one and a million flaws and shortcomings.

But Bobby!? It's not like Bobby cheated on Pam and threw her out. Granted, it was horrid, ridiculous writing but she was the one who disappeared and left some freakish note that she doesn't want to be found (if I remember that farce correctly)...

[Kenny Coyote]

Sexual escapades!? He never cheated on Pam while they were together...or have I missed something?

Doesn't Bobby deserve some peace in his life? I mean, he's not like JR. JR is alone because he's old and nobody wants anything to do with him anymore. He deserved everything he got and more. He really messed things up with SE who was the only person that really loved him despite his one and a million flaws and shortcomings.

But Bobby!? It's not like Bobby cheated on Pam and threw her out. Granted, it was horrid, ridiculous writing but she was the one who disappeared and left some freakish note that she doesn't want to be found (if I remember that farce correctly)...

No, you're right. Bobby was completely faithful to Pam when they were married. Pam had an affair with Mark Graison while she was still married to Bobby. They flew to France on his plane, stayed at the same hotel, and spent their days together on the beach and their nights together in restaurants. They did everything but actually have sex. I think most couples would consider that cheating or at the very least be very upset if their spouse did to them what Pam did to Bobby. Meanwhile Bobby was in the fight of his life for Ewing Oil, trying to preserve Christopher's legacy.

[PAMANDBOBBYFOREVER]

No, you're right. Bobby was completely faithful to Pam when they were married. Pam had an affair with Mark Graison while she was still married to Bobby. They flew to France on his plane, stayed at the same hotel, and spent their days together on the beach and their nights together in restaurants. They did everything but actually have sex. I think most couples would consider that cheating or at the very least be very upset if their spouse did to them what Pam did to Bobby. Meanwhile Bobby was in the fight of his life for Ewing Oil, trying to preserve Christopher's legacy.

Hey remember in season 2 when Pam was working all the time? According to your premise Bobby had an affair with Jenna Wade while he was still married to Pam. Pam was on a business trip and Bobby and Jennas were eating out together, having picnics, and spending their nights together at Jenna's condo. They did everything but actually have sex. I think most spouses would be very upset it their spouse did to them what Bobby did to Pam.

[Kenny Coyote]

Hey remember in season 2 when Pam was working all the time? According to your premise Bobby had an affair with Jenna Wade while he was still married to Pam. Pam was on a business trip and Bobby and Jennas were eating out together, having picnics, and spending their nights together at Jenna's condo. They did everything but actually have sex. I think most spouses would be very upset it their spouse did to them what Bobby did to Pam.

No, I don't remember it, I don't even remember Jenna Wade being in season 2. Did they go away to a foreign country together and spend every day together for a couple weeks?

[Laurie!]

No, I don't remember it, I don't even remember Jenna Wade being in season 2. Did they go away to a foreign country together and spend every day together for a couple weeks?

They were inseparable for a few days and came just as close to sleeping together as Mark and Pam did...Bobby even said that it was Jenna who put a stop to it; not Bobby. There was also the time when Bobby bought the condo for Jenna, spent several days with her and Charlie...cancelling diners with Pam, while he played house with Jenna.

The difference is..when Pam went to the south of France with Mark, she was separated from Bobby....Bobby was happily married to Pam the first time he started playing house with Jenna...yes, Pam had a near fling with Alex Ward but that still left Bobby one up on Pam.

[PAMANDBOBBYFOREVER]

They were inseparable for a few days and came just as close to sleeping together as Mark and Pam did...Bobby even said that it was Jenna who put a stop to it; not Bobby. There was also the time when Bobby bought the condo for Jenna, spent several days with her and Charlie...cancelling diners with Pam, while he played house with Jenna.

The difference is..when Pam went to the south of France with Mark, she was separated from Bobby....Bobby was happily married to Pam the first time he started playing house with Jenna...yes, Pam had a near fling with Alex Ward but that still left Bobby one up on Pam.

Oh, I'd say they are even on emotional cheating. I just hate the everything is Pam's fault, Bobby was the perfect husband who NEVER did anything wrong that comes from this board.

[Sid Fairgate]

Sexual escapades!? He never cheated on Pam while they were together...or have I missed something?

I'm talking about after her accident. He bedded Tammy and Kay shortly after Pam's disappearance.

Doesn't Bobby deserve some peace in his life? I mean, he's not like JR. JR is alone because he's old and nobody wants anything to do with him anymore. He deserved everything he got and more. He really messed things up with SE who was the only person that really loved him despite his one and a million flaws and shortcomings.

But Bobby!? It's not like Bobby cheated on Pam and threw her out. Granted, it was horrid, ridiculous writing but she was the one who disappeared and left some freakish note that she doesn't want to be found (if I remember that farce correctly)...

I used to think Bobby was the good guy he always portrayed himself to be, but when you scratch the surface, it becomes clear that he was a self-righteous hypocrite most of the time.

[Sid Fairgate]

No, I don't remember it, I don't even remember Jenna Wade being in season 2. Did they go away to a foreign country together and spend every day together for a couple weeks?

Kenny, you can twist logic better than anybody I know! Katzman would love your sexist, double-sided views.

What you're basically saying is that Bobby wasn't emotionally cheating on Pam because he and Jenna didn't go to a foreign country. That makes no sense at all. Location has nothing to do with it. Bobby flat out admitted to Pam that he wanted to sleep with Jenna!

[PAMANDBOBBYFOREVER]

Kenny, you can twist logic better than anybody I know! Katzman would love your sexist, double-sided views.

What you're basically saying is that Bobby wasn't emotionally cheating on Pam because he and Jenna didn't go to a foreign country. That makes no sense at all. Location has nothing to do with it. Bobby flat out admitted to Pam that he wanted to sleep with Jenna!

Spot on. They were both equally guilty of emotional cheating. Bobby with Jenna in seasons 1 and 2, and Pam with Alex Ward is season 3 and Mark Graison in season 5.

You seem to be one of the more fair posters here when it comes to characters. I see Pam get far too much of the blame when Pam and Bobby were equally guilty. Unfourtanetly this isn't just a Dallas thing, most soap operas lay the blame on the females and not the males.

[Thornton McLeish]

Location has nothing to do with it.

Of course it doesn't!

To think that you actually had to write that really shows how much Kenny's logic is twisted!

[Kenny Coyote]

Kenny, you can twist logic better than anybody I know! Katzman would love your sexist, double-sided views.

What you're basically saying is that Bobby wasn't emotionally cheating on Pam because he and Jenna didn't go to a foreign country. That makes no sense at all. Location has nothing to do with it. Bobby flat out admitted to Pam that he wanted to sleep with Jenna!

Being a successful, intelligent producer, he probably would like my views.

What I was basically doing is asking a question about a storyline because I don't remember it. You're twisting things around.

[Miss Lush]

I'm talking about after her accident. He bedded Tammy and Kay shortly after Pam's disappearance.

Oh, okay. Yes, they couldn't have been divorced by then. But they were !officially! separated. I PERSONALLY think that this isn't cheating.

I used to think Bobby was the good guy he always portrayed himself to be, but when you scratch the surface, it becomes clear that he was a self-righteous hypocrite most of the time.

Yes, he was! Especially in season 5 (DVD 6) during the Battle for Ewing Oil. I usually root for JR but there I was openly rooting for JR because Bobby was such a hypocrite. He was at his most interesting that season but still: hypocrite.

[Sid Fairgate]

Being a successful, intelligent producer, he probably would like my views.

And ultimately the guy that crashed the show into the ground and stripped it of all logic and reason.

What I was basically doing is asking a question about a storyline because I don't remember it. You're twisting things around.

What's funny is you only seem to remember whatever it is that suits your skewed agenda.

You seem to be one of the more fair posters here when it comes to characters. I see Pam get far too much of the blame when Pam and Bobby were equally guilty. Unfourtanetly this isn't just a Dallas thing, most soap operas lay the blame on the females and not the males.

Yes, there is definitely a double standard when it comes to men and women in both soaps and the real world.

[Sid Fairgate]

Oh, okay. Yes, they couldn't have been divorced by then. But they were !officially! separated. I PERSONALLY think that this isn't cheating.

It just seemed really callous to me. A grown man like Bobby should have been able to understand the emotional toll Pam's accident took on her, and yet he just accepted the letter and moved on. Didn't he think the timing of Katherine's brief appearance and Pam leaving the hospital was a huge coincidence? You'd think he would have done a thorough investigation first before deciding she really didn't want to be with him anymore.

When April died, he was willing to go to the ends of the earth to find her killer. He sold Ewing Oil, bought a PI firm, and even moved to Malibu to hunt her down. He did all of that for the woman he loved. Yet when he gets a letter supposedly written by Pam shortly after Katherine pops up, he doesn't question it at all. Didn't he think it was weird that a Wentworth board member was acting as Pam's representative? That would have tipped me off right away, as there was a strong possibility he was loyal to Katherine.

Yes, he was! Especially in season 5 (DVD 6) during the Battle for Ewing Oil. I usually root for JR but there I was openly rooting for JR because Bobby was such a hypocrite. He was at his most interesting that season but still: hypocrite.

Yes, Bobby was more interesting when he wasn't a saint. What's funny is Bobby always thought he was better than JR, even when he started resorting to some of his tactics.

[Kenny Coyote]

What's funny is you only seem to remember whatever it is that suits your skewed agenda.

I don't make any money off this; its entertainment for me. So how could I have a "skewed agenda" or an agenda at all? You said he bought Jenna a condo. I remember two Jennas and the first one, around season four, said Charlie was with Naldo for the summer and having a ball and that Naldo was being a great father to her. Do you remember that? Then when Priscilla Presley's Jenna came along, Charlie had never met Naldo according to her. That means I remember more than people paid to know everything that happened in Dallas. I remember more than professional writers who were writing Dallas scripts for a living! Think long and hard on that before you make any more paranoid comments about me having a "skewed agenda."

[SnarkyOracle!]

I don't make any money off this; its entertainment for me. So how could I have a "skewed agenda"

And yet you do anyway. Isn't that interesting?

[PAMANDBOBBYFOREVER]

And ultimately the guy that crashed the show into the ground and stripped it of all logic and reason.

Some of Katzman's statements from that time are just crazy. But I guess if he got to go off to Europe with all the cast members and have a big party when then its all fine and well in Lennie's world. Of course I also blame the cast for this two since it looks like Dallas stopped being a job for them to create a good show, and more of a place to go that was like an everyday party with some silly scenes filmed in between all the fun they were having. Oh and that little thing called $$$$$.

[Tessie]

Gosh, it's TV! We are not talking about a real life relationship. JR/SE fans do not turn into abusive spouse-beaters just because they see the dysfunctional two in their twisted on screen relationship. Sorry, but it's Dallas and Dallas isn't exactly PC!.

I know it's TV. I know we're not talking about real life. I never said anything about JR/SE fans turning into abusive spouse-beaters because they've seen it on the show. I don't know where you think that came from at all.

I said that based on what I've read on the forums over the years, some people think JR/SE were true love, and that's just not right. People can like JR and they can like SE and they can even like JR/SE together in a "what horrible things will they do to each other this week" kind of way. But to say they truly loved each other despite all the garbage they did to each other and that it's just true love and meant to be is ridiculous, IMO. It's an example of true hate, not true love.

Believe it or not, I was agreeing with Pamela. So hell has officially frozen over.

[Tessie]

Why must she know where Pam is at all times? She'd easily find out if Pam ever contacted Bobby because Bobby would have moved hell and high water to find Pam after that. Katherine could monitor Bobby quite easily from a distance because he was always involved with his flavour of the month and not searching the world over for Pam. That clause in the letter...that if Bobby really loved Pam, he wouldn't try to find her...was enough for Katherine to feel secure knowing Bobby really loved Pam....and Pam would never risk Bobby/Christopher's lives to selfishly tell Bobby her reasons for leaving.

Pam wouldn't know where Katherine is....Katherine in hiding is what makes Katherine dangerous...and the police could never capture Katherine so turning her in wouldn't do anything.

Bobby and Christopher are Ewings...they were always in the paper. You can buy a copy of a Dallas newspaper in other major world cities....then came the internet.

That sounds to me like you're mugged while walking down the street and because the police never catch the guy and the threat is still there, you never walk down the street again. It makes more sense to me that Katherine kidnaps Pam.

[Tessie]

Yes Tessie but that was never the intention and unlikely to be how most people saw it. I recall when she left JR and when she got back with him most viewers were saying "No don't do it" but obviously Sue Ellen was going to once again face heartbreak.

But it was never written as a love story until the dream season.

I don't think it was the intention either. I've also read the forums where people say it's true love.