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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
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    ...but the audio of The Power Of The Daleks is many times more enjoyable than the sum of the visuals plus audio of The Krotons (although The Krotons does feature the regulars in sparkling form). Have you got The Invasion yet?




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    No not yet , i've slowed down with classic WHO a bit. I'm going to watch INVASION OF THE DINOSAURS with the information text on. I didnt realise how great the text is until I read this months DWM (thanks to James for recommending it), i might have to go back and rewatch all my dvds with the text on now! woo woo!

    So, is Power of the Daleks out on dvd? I can't find it on amazon!

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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyktgmHCyBY
    Yes! Watch the info text! I watch it at fast speed, so I get every bit of it...more quickly.
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    So, is Power of the Daleks out on dvd?
    It is possible to obtain reconstructions....which reminds me that I have to make some very important telephone calls....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post

    So, is Power of the Daleks out on dvd? I can't find it on amazon!


    MP3-CD sound with pictures

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Doctor-Recon.../dp/056350417X

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    Ep 1 of Keys of Marinus is absolutely fantastic! the set design was extremely impressive, in sharp contrast to the assasination of the story by the production designer on the dvd!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    Ep 1 of Keys of Marinus is absolutely fantastic! the set design was extremely impressive, in sharp contrast to the assasination of the story by the production designer on the dvd!
    Isn't that Ray Cusick, who designed the Daleks?...designing for a Terry Nation story?
    http://www.televisionheaven.co.uk/ray_cusick.htm
    "With the broadcast of The Dead Planet as The Mutants was finally titled, Dalekmania swept the country -with all the plaudits going to writer Terry Nation. There was recognition for Ray's work within the BBC and then there was talk of a film. "Terry Nation said to me 'Ray, leave it to me, I'll see you get the job.' Of course that's the last thing he wanted. He didn't want me around."

    http://drwhointerviews.wordpress.com/tag/ray-cusick/
    Ray Cusick (1992)
    September 4, 2009

    Ray Cusick was the BBC designer responsible for the Daleks, although he only got the job because a colleague, Ridley Scott, was busy. Here, he talks about the reasons for some of the design changes that took place over the years, and recalls working with Douglas Camfield, who keeps cropping up in interviews, in which he’s invariably described (fondly!) in military terms.

    “The designer who was actually scheduled to work on it was a person called Ridley Scott, who then worked for the BBC, in fact he worked on the next drawing board to me. But he wasn’t free to do the filming, and for continuity reasons they needed the same designed for the filming and the studio, so he was dropped and I happened to be chosen because I was free, I was spare so to say.

    “With the Daleks, designers who design the sets don’t normally design the visual effects, there are designers who do that, but on the early ‘Doctor Who’s, the designers had to do both, that’s Barry Newbery, the other designer, and myself. We had to design all our props, special effects and so on. So really we were doing double the work. So what I used to do was work furiously in the office designing the sets, and in the evenings and weekends I used to design all the special effects, and the actual Dalek was conceived on a Saturday night and finally designed on a Sunday afternoon.

    “I hadn’t designed anything like it before, so it was a question of feasibility and money. I was given a budget, but I had no idea how far this budget would go, so I did some sketches and showed them to the model-makers, Shawcraft Models, and they said ‘Well it is possible, if you had about ten times as much money’. So from that point on, the designs became modified.

    “The creature inside was a mutation, there had been this war, a nuclear war, between the Thals and the Dals, and whereas the Thals had survived, the Dals had mutated into something horrible, and we, Verity Lambert and the director Chris Barry, we sat down and said ‘Logically, over the years, they’ve developed artificial limbs’, so they were just this brainy blob that lived inside the machine. Editorially, it was decided that it would never be shown, although I was asked by a magazine, ‘Tidbits’, if I’d draw it, and I did.

    “The problem with the Dalek outside the studio… the Dalek inside the studio ran on rubber-type casters, which was great on flat surfaces. But on location, with bumpy pavements etc., they rattled like an old biscuit tin, and so Shawcraft Models went back to an idea of mine of using pneumatic tyres, small pneumatic tyres. Not a tricycle, which was my original idea, which meant deepening the skirt on the bottom to accomodate the wheels.

    “I remember the director Douglas Camfield directed the whole thing like a military operation. For instance, one afternoon in the studio he said ‘It’s twenty-two and a half minutes past three, so we should be on shot fifty-two’ and he used to call me ‘Major’, he said that would be my rank if this was a military operation, and he was General Camfield. I remember filming at Ealing with all the model spaceships, that was quite a large model, that must have been about thirty foot square.
    “Everyone was rushing around corridors saying ‘Oh, there’ll be Dalek films, Dalek soap, Dalek tea towels’, they thought there’d be lots of money. I was very friendly with Terry Nation and we appeared on a very famous show called ‘Late Night Line-Up’, and I remember asking him after the show ‘What about the films, Terry?’. And I never saw him again!”

    P.S. That Ridley Scott person used to direct for Adam Adamant Lives! but disappeared without trace afterwards.
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    i recently bought the 1st set i guess you could call it. 'Beginning's" which is the first 3 serials. i FINALLY got my hands onto it. i bought that on sunday actually. i have already watched 'an unearthly child' now i'm on 'the daleks' episode 2 i think?

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    It's all Brilliant, the first stories are just fab, really atmospheric. I must get back to Marinus, im on ep 2 .... Don't know why I stopped, oh yeah I stopped o watch The Daemons and now I've got Nightmare of Eden coming, god can't wait for that one !

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    the 1st serial really i don't think is that great. the 1st part is though. but to have them go back to caveman days just i dunno feels a bit off. i know it wasn't going to a show with aliens originally to be fair.

    but when they go to the caveman days though it isn't as boring as say Marco polo. that one puts me to sleep to be honest.
    the show kinda slows down a LOT during those shows. and in the 1st serial when they go back in time for the 1st time it isn't a terrible serial but it's just not very good either. i don't mind some of the history ones, but there's a lot of them at least for me that is just plain boring as hell.

    NOT all of them are boring however. but to each their own i guess. i looked up how much of the 1st season i now have. i have the whole season cept for of course 'Marco Polo" and "Reign of Terror" which i believe is coming to dvd next year i think? in i think animation like they did with 'Invasion' bear in mind it's been awhlie since i last read that so i may be wrong

    but i think that's what i read online. i may have to start getting the 2nd season now.

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    Since this has become the general WHO thread... I'm trying to re evaluate the JNT era having read the interesting DWM articles on it. I still think his era is the weakest, largely because the companions are so bad, none of them seem to get on with the Doctor and thats always seemed fundamentally wrong. But some of the stories are brilliant... the first JNT series with Tom Baker is his best, none of the stories are weak, its a brilliant brilliant season. Earthsock is interesting, a real achievement creatively and Caves of Androzani is a masterpiece. But the rest? Mostly they suck big time ... but i'm wondering if it's largely due to to the companions.... the worst bit of Earthshock is the companion stuff with Adric and in Caves Peri is just a story device; she's pretty and she looks good lying on a bench, so she's not in focus enough to have any positive or negative impact.
    Any other JNT stories worth a revisit? I'm doing FRONTIOS next...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    Since this has become the general WHO thread... I'm trying to re evaluate the JNT era having read the interesting DWM articles on it. I still think his era is the weakest
    Does that include....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ama22BNstto
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    Does that include a clip of CRIMEWATCH? Probably not.

    Nightmare of Eden and The Sunmakers have arrived .... god, it's so exciting when a Tom Baker dvd arrives, it's like Christmas. He just IS The Doctor, the others are doing great versions of him but Tom Baker just IS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    Does that include a clip of CRIMEWATCH? Probably not.
    I don't think JNT produced Crimewatch but he did produce K9 and Company. Note the introduction of a nerdy boy as audience identification on each show.

    Have you got the new all-colour The Ambassadors of Death yet?

    god, it is or was so exciting when a Patrick Troughton dvd or audio cd arrives or arrived, it's like a birthday, Christmas, Easter, Halloween and Pancake Day all at once. Pat just IS The Doctor, the others are doing great versions of him (except Jon Pertwee...as Patrick Troughton said of Pertwee as the Doctor, "money for old rope"..and extra-except Colin Baker, who is strangely wonderful on audio) but Pat Troughton just IS, which is why you are missing out on extra-special treats if you don't get the dvds and the soundtracks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. R.'s Piece View Post
    I don't think JNT produced Crimewatch but he did produce K9 and Company. Note the introduction of a nerdy boy as audience identification on each show.
    Each show means Doctor Who and K9 and Company, not K9 and Company and Crimewatch

    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    Does that include a clip of CRIMEWATCH? Probably not.
    Do they do witchcraft on Crimewatch?

    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    Caves of Androzani is a masterpiece
    Well both the writer and director had been involved with Doctor Who since the 1960s, unlike most of the JNT stories.

    I'm rather fond of the Collector....and mind your mandrels.
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    Why did you post a link to CRIMEWATCH? Were you in a line-up or something? Or were you the guy who posted about how sexy Fiona Bruce is and how he'd like to #### her. I'm a bit puzzled....

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    Why did you post a link to CRIMEWATCH? Were you in a line-up or something? Or were you the guy who posted about how sexy Fiona Bruce is and how he'd like to #### her. I'm a bit puzzled....
    That's weird. When I copied the link, it was from dailymotion. Although I wasn't the only person in the house. I've questioned my first cousin once removed who asked to use the computer after 3pm yesterday (when I said "Sure, but use another browser") but it says that it knows nothing. So it remains a mystery.
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7z...st-friend_tech

    "He [Matt Smith] was on the phone for about 20 minutes, just raving about how brilliant The Tomb Of The Cybermen was and how much he loved Patrick Troughton. Just as every actor [to have played the Doctor] since Patrick Troughton has done, he fell in love with Troughton's version. It seems to be the bedrock, really. Troughton is the Doctor as we know him now. It's not a very showy performance. It draws your eye, but in a very subdued way....He could be both a hero and a boffin, a bit mad and funny, a bit exotic and a bit common. From that point on, I think the bow tie was a given. matt was going to wear a bow tie, whatever we did"
    -Steven Moffat
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    Exactly. Smith is copying Troughton. No one would DARE copy Baker, because it's impossible. Tom Baker is The Doctor. There are other Doctor's but he's THE Doctor. If you don't believe me just ask Tom, he'll tell you. Troughton was good but he didn't have Hinchcliffe , maybe if some of his stories were here we could have a proper debate on the era but, sadly, most of it's gone and whats left is.... good. But not amazing. I suspect the best stuff was in that first year.

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