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    Terminus or is it Terminal ? Is one of the very worst Peter Davison outings and also one of the most fascinating. Its endlessly dark and depressing and totally crap , I can't wait til it comes out on dvd.....

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    Andrew Burt was in it and he was King Arthur & Jack Sugden .....and Jarvik in one of my least favourite BLAKES7 episodes.

    Have you noticed Patrick Troughton wake up with sideburns yet?
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    It's interesting to listen to the commentaries/documentaries on The War Games DVD because when I watch the story, I find it enjoyable but I listen to Terrance Dicks and Derrick Sherwin talk about it and all the writing problems over 1968 with stories being dropped and episodes added and cut, it seems astonishing that you got any decent stuff at all!....but then, given their functions, they're more into the mechanic side of it. I'm not sure that I feel the padding in the story, unlike that moment at the end of The Three Doctors episode 2 when Dr Tyler (hey there were 4 Doctors in The Three Doctors!...and still not counting Jon Pertwee's stunt "double"!) goes for an unscripted run, only to be recaptured and then he declares that it was a waste of time. Which it was.
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    I have just finished watching 'The War Games'. its my one of favorite program. Both Gareth and Clayton feature both are superb cast in it.

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    Gareth Roberts and Clayton Hickman? Co-writers of The Sarah Jane Adventures Comic Relief scene and an adventure for next season....and the audio stories, The One Doctor and Bang-Bang-A-Boom!

    http://www.bigfinish.com/27-Doctor-W...octor-Download
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_One_Doctor
    http://www.bigfinish.com/39-Doctor-Who-Bang-Bang-A-Boom!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bang-Bang-a-Boom!

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    I'm in the middle of episode 5 right now... I must say, I've seen a more entertaining two and half hours of TV. Everything is pitch perfect, especially Troughton who just appears to be having so much fun being smarter than everyone else. And it's not even half over!

    And there's Patrick from Eastenders as some sort of British/Caribbean/American soldier and it's all so engrossing that I don't even care that the accents are horrible... this could air tomorrow and be considered genius. Oh my, how awesome.
    Brown for first course, white for pudding. Brown is savoury, white's the treat. Of course I'm the one who's laughing, because I actually love brown toast

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    The War Games was brillant! I loved the different *war zones* and the aliens controlling things from behind the scenes. i even liked the renagade Time Lord. It would be interesting if he did ever make a return. Even the end was brillant and i must say that I'm glad that Wendy Padbury decided to leave with Patrick Troughton and Frazier Hines. but i hated that they will have forgotten all their adventures(minus the orginal) with the Doctor.

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    You wanted Zoe to go?

    The War Chief? Edward Brayshaw. He is dead now....but he was in Rentaghost.....
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j1kpqbANkY
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_-dxSsGAXw
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAiyWEcQLVI


    ...and he was in Doctor Who:The Reign Of Terror in season 1, lusting after Barbara....

    and popped up in Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), The Avengers, 2 episodes of The Baron, The Champions

    Here is an old interview with Philip Madoc
    http://www.mjnewton.demon.co.uk/drwho/madoc.htm
    and a more recent one
    http://www.kaldorcity.com/people/philminterview.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. R.'s Piece View Post
    You wanted Zoe to go?

    I wasn't sure she would have fit with Jon Pertwee. I didn't want any of them to go, but i didn't mind them all going together.

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    It was brilliant that they all went together , very sad but right.

    I dont think any companion should stay for too long , one of gthe brilliant things about RTD's New Who era is how quickly things changed and i realised recently that thats what makes Tenants exit End of Time part 2 so powerful , there's so much rich history to draw on you really feel the sense of journey....



    Just watched the New Beginnings DVD , Keeper of Traken is a lovely little gem of a story its magical , i diodnt realise how fantastic it was , Logopolis is the weakest story out of the trilogy, the Tardis within a Tardis is really good but the last two episodes dont have much dramatic punch ... except the over arching theme of entropy is really strong so that makes up for it. Interestingly on the commentary writer Christopher Bidmead can't seem to decipher his won writing, he bangs on and on about the pointlessness of having Tegan and Aunt Vanessa fixing the car in eo 1 and keeps asking why? Well its obvious isn't it ... The Doctor is trying to fix the Tardis , the Master is already fixing his Tradis and Tegan is trying to fix her mode of transport, it works brilliantly focusing back on Tegan and the car its symbolic. Actually everyone slags off their work on the commentarys , Davison and Fielding do nothing more than slag off everything on Castrovalva , it gets a bit tiresome after a while so i turned it off.... Castrovalva is a really nice ep, it feels very fresh and new watched straight after Logopolis and Davsion is as good as ever, he seesm to think he wasn't very good which is surprising because he massively popular when i was growing up and he is such a good actor i love him as the Doctor, its just that he didn't have the best scripts and i think that JNT on reflection did a great job renewing it for its time but its also very flawed in many ways which are well documented - too many companions , not enough atmosphere ( until the best WHO ever The Caves of Androzani), reliance on extremely short scenes ...

    Fab extras on this dvd set though , its fascinating to see how difficult and obnoxious Tom Baker was on set , its also very sad , its also interesting because you can view his whole performance through that prism , Fielding says on the commentary that Tom's Doctor was slightly dangerous and unpredictable much like Tom Baker ... Davison thinks he was too young to play him , I wonder what he thinks of Matt Smith ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emma'sfan View Post
    I wasn't sure she would have fit with Jon Pertwee. I didn't want any of them to go, but i didn't mind them all going together.
    Well, Frazer Hines likes to joke about the height difference between Padbury and Pertwee...

    I'm always in two minds about Zoe because as a companion she's rather different in some ways to those who had gone before...and her faulty total recall enables her to have knowledge that enables her to converse with the Doctor..more of a meeting of minds. In The Krotons (Robert Holmes' first Doctor Who story), she declares that the Doctor is almost as clever as she is!.....when he fails The Krotons' intelligence/High Brain test but then he goes again and beats her score and with a smile, tells her so, to which she sort of sulkily replies, "You answered more questions".

    On the downside (which may be an upside), because the Doctor has to be more open with Zoe about what he is doing, he loses some of that Second Doctor "subtle, mysterious and complex" (as Gareth Roberts put it) stuff. He can't fob her off in the same way that he could does with Ben, Polly and Jamie. He can't just chuckle and tootle on his recorder (which he never used in any of her stories...) with a "something like that" or leave both them and the audience wondering of just how much of that resolution was down to his plotting. Which is fun for instance in The Mind Robber, when he has to get Jamie's face right. Then again, he can't really give her a tongue-lashing like the one that he gave Jamie and Driver Evans in the conclusion to The Web Of Fear when they rescued him, not knowing that that was exactly what he didn't want.... because he was being secretive about it.
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    I watched Edward Brayshaw try to explode Peter Wyngarde (dressed as a biker, a "leather queen", Jason King puts it) in a telephone box in a Terry Nation-scripted episode of Department S, featuring Nazi imagery....

    The War Games had a powerful ending. It is good that it wasn't a happy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    its fascinating to see how difficult and obnoxious Tom Baker was on set , its also very sad , its also interesting because you can view his whole performance through that prism , Fielding says on the commentary that Tom's Doctor was slightly dangerous and unpredictable much like Tom Baker ...
    Tom has said that his performance was influenced by how he was feeling at the time, so going by this "rule"(!), he was grumpy during Horror Of Fang Rock and very very happy during City Of Death.

    I don't know what to watch!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw9SA5nnJIw
    or
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PqqJUnt2QU
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    He was ecstatic with bliss during City of Death , i felt like i need to take a shower and smoke a cigarrette after watching that love fest .

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    I substitute watching him with a beard for the cigarette.

    Him with the beard, not me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunshineboyuk View Post
    Yes !!!


    Its brilliant . Its a little gem of a huge epic story.... Troughton is wonderful as the Doctor moving seemlessly from impish charm to moral outrage in a blink of an eye . I LOVE it .
    Reminded me that I had these somewhere:

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    thanxs for the article

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