Obese People!!

[McGarrett .]

I'm amazed that in an enlightened 21st Century society, some of the negative and unhelpful comments on this thread are being thrown about - without any thought for the feelings of fellow forum members.

Well this is in general and not an attack to other forum members anyway...

And how can you say the comments are unhelpful?

I judge obese people when I see them either being slobby in public and not seeming to care about it, or when some obese people I know blame everything else but themselves and won't help themselves get healthier, or when I see obese people judging THIN people (out of jealousy I mean.)

I also judge people if they are overweight and just keep eating junk food for every meal and complain all day long about how fat and gross they feel and whine like it's someone else's fault.

I see that a lot. I take it almost like a personal offense.


To be honest when I see an obese person walking, or at the gym, or making an effort, ordering healthy food etc, I silently applaud them.

I guess the feeling is how can somebody not care about themselves so much? and regardless of how the fat person might feel it does effect the people around you...

Ever see a fat couple with a fat kid? I literally want to cry when I see that...Too me it is almost criminal...I am sorry....that is just the way I feel.

[bacteriophage]

Then where does your fat come from (as you yourself have already stated that you are overweight)? Does it just magically appear?

Please....

Did you miss the part about her being on birth control pills? I thought you were a pharmacist...you don't know birth control makes people put on weight?


Anyway, my thoughts are that there are some obese people who are that way because they didn't care about health in the first place and ended up at a stage where they can't lose weight very easily. I've seen it happen to a couple of people and once they got to that stage there wasn't much they could do to go back. Losing weight is really hard. I find it difficult to place blame on these people because life sucks and sometimes things spiral out of control and then get to a point where its nearly impossible to change.

On the other hand, I think obese people who don't have medical conditions kind of are responsible for their weight because nobody is stupid enough to think eating massive quantities of crap all day is going to keep you fit and healthy. Its ridiculous to hear them complaining about how much fat there is in a McDonalds meal....just don't go there! Its not that hard.

Hmm....I don't know, I find it hard to stick with either view here.

On the subject of metabolism, I know for a fact it plays a huge role in weight gain/loss. I'm 88lbs at the moment and I don't eat super healthily at all. I do a fair amount of exercise but nothing like going to the gym etc. I have never had to make an effort to lose weight, instead I have to make loads of effort to put any on. I've been trying to gain weight for like 6 years Anyway, if I have that issue its obvious to me there are people out there who will live healthily and still gain weight because that's how their body is which really isn't their fault just like being thin isn't mine.

All in all, I think its wrong to judge these people just by looking at them. We don't know their medical conditions/medications they are taking, emotional state, genetic make up or lifestyle. They should be helped but not in a way that makes them feel like they are not even human beings any more.

[TJames03]

BC pills SOMETIMES puts on weight, but NOT enough to make one obese.

If it DOES do that, then perhaps one should turn to a different kind of BC method.

I know a lot of women on the standard BC pill that are NOT fat - I do know one woman how is on the pill and IS fat - of course, I think her gallon a day of ice cream and her laziness plays a 'minor' part in the equation.

Check out this article - a FIVE POUND gain is normal - not 50 or so!

http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr11.htm

But then you are the big scientist, and know it all already, right?

Maybe you can tell us your cure for cancer and every other disease on the planet.

[joan w]

I think your one friend is doing something different..

She might like the company, and considers it social..

She might break out the HoHo's when she gets home..

And she also might not be putting the same effort that you are..

You didn't tell us if she was overweight or not so I have no way to understand her situation..

But now that I am picturing you with muscles I kinda like it..

None of us were fat to start with McGarrett, just "pleasantly plump" .
In my case, old age/having 4 children/not enough exercise.

My collegue who has lost the least weight, was probably the heaviest of us, and she smokes, and is a "stranger" to healthy food.

Having said that, she is trying her best, and is enjoying herself.

Neither of the other 2 have muscles though.........eeeek.

[bacteriophage]

BC pills SOMETIMES puts on weight, but NOT enough to make one obese.

If it DOES do that, then perhaps one should turn to a different kind of BC method.

I know a lot of women on the standard BC pill that are NOT fat - I do know one woman how is on the pill and IS fat - of course, I think her gallon a day of ice cream and her laziness plays a 'minor' part in the equation.

Check out this article - a FIVE POUND gain is normal - not 50 or so!

http://www.wdxcyber.com/ncontr11.htm

But then you are the big scientist, and know it all already, right?

Maybe you can tell us your cure for cancer and every other disease on the planet.

Like Mel said...she is not obese. I never said they make you obese, just that they make some women put on some (not 50 lbs) weight and its hard to lose weight on some of those pills. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm working on it. I'll make sure to let you know

[TJames03]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I don't think I could - there is probably already a dohnut in it.



Also, maybe a few of you ladies should check this out....

http://www.nhlbisupport.com/bmi/

[Garrison]

[McGarrett .]

None of us were fat to start with McGarrett, just "pleasantly plump" .
In my case, old age/having 4 children/not enough exercise.

My collegue who has lost the least weight, was probably the heaviest of us, and she smokes, and is a "stranger" to healthy food.

Having said that, she is trying her best, and is enjoying herself.

Neither of the other 2 have muscles though.........eeeek.

That's great Joan...four kids ravaged your body and you fixed it..

But I guess I hit it...While your chubby friend goes to the gym she just can't bring herself to eat right...

and smoking cant help when trying to work out...So I am sure it is not very intense..

I am glad she is enjoying herself....what she is doing is a lot better than being stagnant..

[SnarkyOracle!]

I'm usually in fairly good shape -- but even I'm offended by the tone of this thread.

Well, I guess if one is inclined to simplistic, high-handed political "answers" then one is inclined to simplisitic, high-handed "answers" to weight issues.

Is diet and excercise a good idea for everybody? Of course. Does it have an equal effect on everybody? No... Even conservative medical science today concedes that the same tactics don't always work on different people, and that for many people, once they gain weight, the body has a myriad of devices that kick in to keep that weight on.

Sure, some people are addicted--- to food, to booze, to cigarettes... and some, to Evil.

[Luke]

I would rather sit next next to a pleasant obese person on an airplane than a skinny ass hole.

Fat/skinny/smart/stupid/enlighted/ass hole

Everyone in this world deals with the stresses of the world differently. Some eat too much, some drink, some smoke and some are just ass holes who make others pay for the pain they do not know how to deal with.

We have examples of those on here.

[SnarkyOracle!]

I would rather sit next next to a pleasant obese person on an airplain than a skinny ass hole.

Fat/skinny/smart/stupid/enlighted/ass hole

Everyone in this world deals with the stresses of the world differently. Some eat too much, some drink, some smoke and some are just ass holes who make others pay for the pain they do not know how to deal with.

We have examples of those on here.

Brilliant! I just sorta said that! Great minds think alike!

But it's a mistake to think that the posters abusing fat people are themselves skinny--- although they might like you to believe that.

[ihtgb]

Fat people would make great terrorists. They could store bombs under their lard rolls. No one would see it coming.

And when they do explode, their flying fat chunks would make dangerous projectiles.

[McGarrett .]

I'm usually in fairly good shape -- but even I'm offended by the tone of this thread.

Well, I guess if one is inclined to simplistic, high-handed political "answers" then one is inclined to simplisitic, high-handed "answers" to weight issues.

Is diet and excercise a good idea for everybody? Of course. Does it have an equal effect on everybody? No... Even conservative medical science today concedes that the same tactics don't always work on different people, and that for many people, once they gain weight, the body has a myriad of devices that kick in to keep that weight on.

Sure, some people are addicted--- to food, to booze, to cigarettes... and some, to Evil.

I am clearly talking about the ones who complain and don't do anything about it..

I know it is so high handed....

Why see a trainer...Stay fat because your body rejects exercise .. Makes sense!!.

[McGarrett .]

I would rather sit next next to a pleasant obese person on an airplane than a skinny ass hole.

Fat/skinny/smart/stupid/enlighted/ass hole

Everyone in this world deals with the stresses of the world differently. Some eat too much, some drink, some smoke and some are just ass holes who make others pay for the pain they do not know how to deal with.

We have examples of those on here.

I'll tolerate the skinny asshole... At least I know I have a better chance at the exit...

Devils advocate Luke..Would you rather sit next to a pleasant fatty that smells like they don't wipe (some do..My guess is because they can't reach their anal region) or a skinny asshole that smells like a pleasant cologne??

[CarlD]

Granted, there are some people that do have a medical reason for their pounds - but NOT the women that ride those little scooters around in stores all the while inhaling Ben & Jerry's ice cream. Or the ones that order a ton of food at Burger King - and then order a diet Coke because they are on a 'diet.'

B*llsh*t.

Fat CANNOT reproduce without the person comsuming it to begin with. Fruits, veggies, etc., are NOT hard to eat. Water is great too.

But veggies don't count when they are drowned in ranch dressing or on top of a pizza with extra cheese, etc.

Give me a break....

Many good points.

The MAJORITY of fat/obese people in this country are that way because of THEIR lifestyle choices, but many of course blame someone else.

[TJames03]

Sure, some people are addicted--- to food, to booze, to cigarettes... and some, to Evil.

Evil is VERY delicious, low in calories AND in fat!

It is also a dish that I like to consume at LEAST once a day....

[McGarrett .]

mmmmmmmmmm!! Evil!!!

[mztx71]

Fat & skinny are both equally unattractive imo, whatever happened to plain old slim and normal? When I look around, I seldom see someone of a size 10/12 (6/8 American sizes) seems the majority are either annorexic or obese, like the world has gone to extremes neither of which are exactly healthy. Some people of course, usually for medical reasons can't help being too fat or too thin but for those that can help it then I agree, for health more than vanity, they should do something about it. I would never let myself fall below or rise above a certain weight for health reasons but must admit I am vain and if I didn't look good, I wouldn't go out.

[McGarrett .]

Ah dear carol...You are so wise...

It is all about clean living!!

You can tell when a person looks healthy..

And a person that looks too skinny does not look healthy..

Healthy looking people are the most attractive..

As far as fat people go....They don't even want to challenge themselves....They are weak..

Now some fat people are comfortable in their own skin so I guess that is fine (unless it invades my personal space) But something tells me that is the tinyest of minorities when it comes to overweight people..

[Luke]

I'll tolerate the skinny asshole... At least I know I have a better chance at the exit...

Devils advocate Luke..Would you rather sit next to a pleasant fatty that smells like they don't wipe (some do..My guess is because they can't reach their anal region) or a skinny asshole that smells like a pleasant cologne??

I would rather sit next to whomever was pleasant and did not smell. I have not in my life seen any connection with weight and body odor. Yes I know you push the myth that fat people all smell, but it simply is not true. Smell is not about that, it is about many things weight possibly being a small factor. I have encountered many skinny people with BO. Not sure the connection your so desperately trying to make is actually real or just fits your mean spirtied argument.