The so-called "European sensibility" of Dynasty

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  1. tommie

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    It's often thrown around, but was Dynasty really "European" bar the characters with a British accent?

    Dynasty was cancelled here after season three, and as I understand it, several other European countries. I don't know what is supposed to be European in Dynasty, help me Bullen!
     
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    No it wasn't. I don't think anyone that posts here from Europe can truly say DYNASTY had a European sensibility. It pushed that idea but it seemed like the writers had never been to Europe. Or anywhere else outside of the US.
    Don't even get me started on Middle East meetings taking place in Rome.
     
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    For sure. It seemed around Season 4 we started hearing about "european glamour" and that is the year a certain europianolicious something should have kicked in, but it never did. Indeed the bosses never seemed to have a feel for anything anywhere at any time -- much less europe.

    Reportedly, the titles from the first season and first half of the second season were named after-the-fact, so I'm guessing one of those staffers who maybe never saw the episode called it "The MidEast Meeting" and knew nothing about europe nor the middle-east decided Rome was an Arab Emirate country... after all, why else was Rashid Ahmed doing there??
     
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    But why does the American have to go to the Middle-East? Or vice versa?
    Is it so unusual to have the meeting in a place other than the countries they're from?
    Think about all those rich men and politicians, doing business/making deals on the Bahamas.

    But didn't Jeff and Blake travel to the Middle-East, while Alexis was in Rome with Rashid?
     
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    It's odd - even on a superficial level, what's so European about it? I was born in the mid-80s and unless I missed something there's just nothing that I can identify as "aha - so European!" about Dynasty
     
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    It seems, then and now, to track back to that late-'50s/early-'60s American thing -- an era that the '80s were fixated on revisionistically, and that covered the core of DYNASTY's back story -- where post-war Europe was seen as an exotic, sophisticated, adult Dysneyland, and a vacation trip there by middleclass yanks was as a peak goal and a sign of the height of upward mobility.

    There was something about DYNASTY's potential, had its producers listened to nature beyond its pretensions (La Shapiro was always describing what the show should have been doing instead of what it actually was doing) that wanted to "go there" somehow, but it never really did.

    Maybe it's why that New London Symphony version of the theme, done all Mantovani in its cascading strings style (which was at its peak in the late-'50s/early-'60s) always seems so effective and appropriate for what DYNASTY shoulda/coulda/woulda been. As opposed to what it actually was.

     
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    How true. For a start, the show should have a sensibility, which it hadnĀ“t (neither their producers/writers...except you know who...). :re:
     
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    Maybe we should talk about how to make Dynasty more European?
     
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    From Part Season 7B when all characters act nice:

    Oh Krystle, what lovely tea - is this from Manchester?
    No it's exclusive from Liverpool.
    Oh.

    * viewers die from boredom due to Alexis and Krystle being "nice" *
     
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    Alexis created that hole in the ozone flying in pate and unplucked and uncooked woodpigeon, and burned Champagne from Europe that nobody ate or drank. Oh and chocolate covered strawberries that were simply divine... The erstwhile harlot!
     
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    If I'm watching an American saga then I prefer it to be American. There were enough European soaps to enjoy, therefore I'm not sure if there was a need for European sensibility on Dynasty.

    Nevertheless, Alexis and her family were the connection with England (and she was very English in season 2), they had Moldavia, Peter De Vilbis, references to Europe (that terrible row on that Greek tycoon's yacht) - so, all in all, they've done more European things than the other prime time soaps, even more than Falcon Crest with its Italian roots.
     
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    Make Alexis queen of Moldavia.
     
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    It's not so much that I actually want it to be European, it's just that I've never seen a show boast about being something yet it doesn't match the reality at all. If anything, Dynasty is very reflective of the 80s Reagan US era (even when they are supposed to be in Europe), which might explain why Dynasty ended up flopping in a lot of socialist minded European countries while redneck-y Dallas and slightly more modest Falcon Crest succeeded because they didn't, at the very least until Dynasty surpassed them, go OMG!11 glaMouR as much.
     
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    Was it stated that it was supposed to reflect European glamour, or is it just this forum's perception?
    More important than Europe is showing COLORADO.
    Did it?
     
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    Oh, no. It was in the press at the time regarding DYNASTY's aspirations, circa 1983/84: "european glamour".

    Oh, yes. When they couldn't even capture a Denver vibe (not even when they went there for the '83 Carousel Ball) they couldn't possibly convey anything outside of America.

    They didn't seem to have such a problem, however, in Season 2 when Ed Ledding was still there (the only key staffer not there in Season 3 and 4) as line producer. Faked locational scenes seemed to work better.
     
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    As discussed in the Perfume thread, I have no problem with Dynasty flirting with euro-glam, and the mid-seasons seemed to be the most appropriate time for this, but it should never dominate the tone of the show.
    Some location scenes in Monaco or Austria or whatever would have been great, it would have been even greater if they had decided "exactly" where Moldavia was.

    But I'll always prefer the True American atmosphere of the first season, when the Carringtons looked like royalty.
    It seems as if Dynasty constantly tried to upstage itself, and then failed to do so.
     
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    I think this is funny -- Rick Steves and his boyfriend show us where Alexis could have lived and visited when in France:

     

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