Sue Ellen, Val, or Pamela

[Frankie]

Whom was the better Ewing wife?? Sue Ellen Ewing, Valene Ewing, or Pamela Ewing?

[SueEllen35]

By far and hands down - Sue Ellen! She had to put up with the most crap from J.R.

Sure Valene had her ups and downs, but Gary didn't treat her like J.R. treated Sue Ellen. J.R. treated Sue Ellen SO badly! Valene always loved Gary, but because of circumstances, Abby, Jill, etc., etc., Valene didn't get Gary back right away. Gary always treated her with respect and he did love her, but they were both bone heads about it! It just took so long for them to finally get back together.

Pam also had her ups and downs with Bobby, but Bobby never treated her bad. He just had so many family problems that got in the way of a relationship with Pam. They were truly made for each other, but because of all the problems with J.R. and Cliff and everyone else, Pam and Bobby just couldn't cope with it all. I still believe that if Pammy didn't run away, Pam and Bobby could have left Dallas and ran off and had a life of their own. But, we all know what Pammy did!

Sue Ellen - our hats are off to you, girlfriend! lol! http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Sanoahwolf]

Hey you forgot to include Donna and Miss Ellie. I just can't decide. Even though Pam was my fav it's a tough choice so I'm going to abstain. I think all the wives were great.

All of them dealt with problems more than once in their lives. They all have proven to be woman of substance http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

[Jessie]

I would say Sue Ellen for the reason she had to put up with so much being married to JR. Miss Ellie,Pam and Valene all were great wifes also. I just felt bad for Sue Ellen because she loved JR but he hurt her all the time.

[Jakey]

My heart goes out to all of them, they all encountered many trials and tribulations in their marriages to the Ewing men. Of course some had it worse than the other but they all lived through some bad times in their marriages.

[chance]

I think that Sue Ellen was the best Ewing wife and the stupidest by far . She put up with far more than the other wives did. What makes her stupid is that she stayed with JR so long. But I guess that's what made her the best Ewing wife.

[Ewings]

Well it's definetly no Val, even though she may have stuck by her hasband through his alcohol problems, the first affair he had she was out the door, whereas Sue Ellen, Donna and even Miss Ellie all stood by their husband when they had affairs (Sue Ellen to a ridiculous extent) I don't think Pam was the best Ewing wife either becasue she abandoned her husband and son. I would say the best Ewing wife was Donna, becasue she stood by Ray through his mourning of Jock and his affair. Also she had a career despite being married to a Ewing man, OK, Pamela worked but she is already out, lol, and Sue Ellen started working at Graison Research but in my opinion she comes second because she did try to kill JR, and thought about it on at least one occasion.

So the overall winner is Donna. (Even though she is a Krebbs, Ray was Jock's son so both Ray and Donna are Ewings)

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Power is nothing without control

[Sarah]

Sue Ellen wins hands down for obvious reasons.

[MsTexas73]

Ok, so I'm interested in reading the comments of folks today.
What do y'all think?
I will post my answer later.

[Sonya in Tx]

Sue Ellen. Before Cliff, she at least stayed at Southfork wanting to make her marriage to JR work.

[Areasha]

Sue Ellen. Someone should have given her a medal for putting up with J.R..

[Laurie!]

Oh yes, the definition of best wife is the woman who commits adultery every chance she got even with her husband's enemy, drinks herself into a stupor, has to have a paternity test to prove her husband is the father of the child she's carryng, ignores her first born, shoots her husband, stays for the money, wants to change her husband from the man she willingly married, and didn't know how to leave him and keep the power position! :eek:

I only wish I can be as good a wife as Sue Ellen someday. :grrr:

[MsTexas73]

For the umpteenth time, Sue Ellen was going through POST PARTUM DEPRESSION, read up on it and you'll see she had all the signs. So you can't hold her not tending to the baby at first against her.

Now I'll be the first to admit that Sue Ellen was not the best wife, but she did try, for a lOONNNGGG time to be a good wife, but JR was not a good husband. And like the song says' "When a woman's fed up, there ain't nothin' you can do about it. When a woman's fed up, it's too late to talk about it. " So it is with the case of Sue Ellen. She made some mistakes. who hasn't. In the end she's the one who wins.

Pam started out trying to be a good wife, but she left Bobby and Chris, vanity I suppose.

Donna, she was a cool wife. Took care of home and the business. Too bad Ray was such an @$$.

Val, she had her issues but I believe in her heart she tried to be a good wife to gary. Her only problem was that she tended to treat him like a child at times, which is why he began to stray on her.

[Laurie!]

Oh I see now...Sue Ellen was going through Postpartum Depression even while she was still pregnant. While carrying John Ross, she drank to intoxicating levels. I must have watched a different show because I didn't see Postpartum Depression after John Ross was born, I saw a woman who felt overwhelming guilt that her child might not be her husband's child and she was also rejecting her baby because she thought he was Cliff's and Cliff had hurt her.

Yeah she stayed with J.R. but she also divorced him not once but twice if I recall correctly. That puts Pam and Sue Ellen even in the number of times they divorced their husband, but unlike Sue Ellen, Pam divorced Bobby thinking it was what Bobby wanted and what would make him happy. The last divorce reasons don't really count because that was merely writer's convenience and taking the easy way out.

Yes Pam whined a bit and nagged her husband about his job but no more than Sue Ellen did so again they're even in that regard. However, Sue Ellen's adultery on multiple occasions and the fact that she shot her husband makes Pam the far superior wife. Spin things however you want to make Sue Ellen the saint but you're fooling yourselves.

[Beth Harmon]

I am Pammy's biggest fan, I really love Donna and Sue Ellen too, and I liked Valene...but come on we all know who the best Ewing wife was...Miss Ellie!!!

If for no other reason, she and Jock kept their marriage strong for over 40 years :exit: ....not my beloved Pammy or Donna, or Sue Ellen and Val can say the same about their marriages to the Ewing sons I am sorry to say. :(

[Laurie!]

Beth, Miss Ellie wasn't one of the choices. ;) Other than the fact that Miss Ellie never divorced Jock, I don't think she was much of a better wife than Pam. Miss Ellie nagged Jock about a lot of things as well.

[HookEmHorns]

I agree with Beth, that Miss Ellie was the best Ewing wife of them all, but out of the choices given, I honestly would have to say Sue Ellen even though she did a lot of her own bad stuff too. I always got the impression that even though Pam loved Bobby, she wanted him to choose either her or his family. Like she didn't want him to have both. In my book family trumps spouse on any day! (but that's just my book lol) Whereas Sue Ellen put up with JR's affairs, his business, and understood his loyalty to his family. She might've been a little drunk and slutty, but I still think she's #1. I don't know much about Val, I didn't watch Knots Landing. lol. Interesting thread, this is.
--LN

[Laurie!]

:confused: How did Pam want Bobby to choose her over his family? She agreed to move in with them even though they hated her and even after they married again, she moved back to Southfork.

To me the fact that Sue Ellen shot her husband means that Pam trumps Sue Ellen.

[Tatianna]

Sue Ellen could have been a good wife if JR had only appreciated her as a woman and as a person. However, she was as good a wife as he was a husband. He had the kind of wife he deserved.

I don't believe Pam ever really had a chance to prove herself as a wife because she was always "caught in the middle" between the Barnes/Ewing feud. I do believe she was immature to think she could marry a Ewing and not have the problems which went along with it. She grew up in the midst of the battle between Digger and Jock and she certainly knew what she was up against.

Valene and Gary had a child together, were apart for years, remarried and moved to California away from the Ewings. She endured Gary's drinking, his affair with Judy Trent only to ultimately lose the man she loved to the conniving Abby Cunningham. I agree Val did treat Gary as a child from time to time, but he was weak and she thought that she was helping him cope. When all was said and done, Gary and Val did end up together as husband and wife and made a secure home for their children.

All of these women were at the mercy of the writers and I find it very interesting to see the way each one coped with the daily problems of being married to Ewing men.

I think both Sue Ellen and Valene grew and matured before the eyes of the viewers. I don't see that with Pam's character.

My vote goes to Valene.

[HookEmHorns]

You read my mind, Tatianna. If I could've articulated that myself, I would. lol. Yes, you're right, J.R. had the wife he deserved! --LN

[Nikie]

My Vote would go to Sue Ellen and Miss Ellie...Miss Ellie was there for Jock anything he needed her and usually Sue Ellen was there for JR, even though JR was mean, cruel and cheating on her, she loved him and she just took as much as she can.

[Laurie!]

I don't believe Pam ever really had a chance to prove herself as a wife because she was always "caught in the middle" between the Barnes/Ewing feud. I do believe she was immature to think she could marry a Ewing and not have the problems which went along with it. She grew up in the midst of the battle between Digger and Jock and she certainly knew what she was up against.

I think both Sue Ellen and Valene grew and matured before the eyes of the viewers. I don't see that with Pam's character.


I wasn't a regular Knots viewer and this isn't a Knots forum so I'll ignore Val.

Let me get this straight, Pam was immature because she married the man she loved and had the nerve to think they could be happy and Sue Ellen matured right before our eyes while she was drinking, having affairs, ignoring her child, leaving her husband and going back because he blackmailed her, had an affair with a guy who could have been her son, got pregnant with that boy's child, shot her husband, finally left for Europe and another man but came back to get control of Ewing Oil and flaunt that in front of her husband??? That's your definition of maturity????:eek:

I can understand liking Sue Ellen for the fictional entertainment factor but I have to say that as a woman and as a human being, I find it downright disturbing the way you women rationalize Sue Ellen's behavior to the point where you accept it and even think it was a more loving relationship than Pam's. :(

Pam wasn't the perfect wife but she was faithful, supportive of her husband until he became obsessed with power and constantly fought with J.R. in front of Miss Ellie and the children...overcame depression, ran her own workout studio and taught herself the ins and outs of the oil business, remained an attentive mother...I'm sorry but any flaws as a wife Pam had were far surpassed by Sue Ellen.

[Unregistered]

No contest!!!! Pam was the best wife.

[MsTexas73]

Sue Ellen could have been a good wife if JR had only appreciated her as a woman and as a person. However, she was as good a wife as he was a husband. He had the kind of wife he deserved.

I don't believe Pam ever really had a chance to prove herself as a wife because she was always "caught in the middle" between the Barnes/Ewing feud. I do believe she was immature to think she could marry a Ewing and not have the problems which went along with it. She grew up in the midst of the battle between Digger and Jock and she certainly knew what she was up against.

Valene and Gary had a child together, were apart for years, remarried and moved to California away from the Ewings. She endured Gary's drinking, his affair with Judy Trent only to ultimately lose the man she loved to the conniving Abby Cunningham. I agree Val did treat Gary as a child from time to time, but he was weak and she thought that she was helping him cope. When all was said and done, Gary and Val did end up together as husband and wife and made a secure home for their children.

All of these women were at the mercy of the writers and I find it very interesting to see the way each one coped with the daily problems of being married to Ewing men.

I think both Sue Ellen and Valene grew and matured before the eyes of the viewers. I don't see that with Pam's character.

My vote goes to Valene.


Tatianna,

What a great response. I'm so glad you're back. I hope you're feeling refreshed.

[Laurie!]

LMAO! Somebody keeps taking karma away from me for my posts. That's oh so mature, LOL. :D

:sosad: Oh whatever will I do now? :p

[Unregistered]

LMAO! Somebody keeps taking karma away from me for my posts. That's oh so mature, LOL. :D

:sosad: Oh whatever will I do now? :p
ever think it's cause you're bitchy to everybody, Laurie!?

[Laurie!]

ever think it's cause you're bitchy to everybody, Laurie!?

Why no I didn't. I didn't know that making you unable to explain your rationale meant that I was being bitchy. :p Did you ever think that you hide behind unregistered guest because you're a big, fat chicken? :lolo:

[Jamie Barnes]

Val wasn`t in Dallas for a long time. Therefore I think it`s an unfair question. But I find Val looked better than Pam or Sue Ellen.

[Afton]

ever think it's cause you're bitchy to everybody, Laurie!?

Why do people continue to do this? Just tell Laurie to her face, HookEmHorns.

Sorry if this is embarrassing but it's forum policy :)

[Laurie!]

:thanks:

Well U of T fan, maybe your new hand gesture could be the bird. :D

[Robin]

LMAO! Somebody keeps taking karma away from me for my posts. That's oh so mature, LOL. :D

:sosad: Oh whatever will I do now? :p

I thought you wanted that bad girl rep, Laurie...lmao ;)

[Laurie!]

I thought you wanted that bad girl rep, Laurie...lmao ;)

Oh I do...that's why I couldn't care less when people take karma away. :D

What I find rather hysterical is that these Sue Ellen fans loved the fighting on Dallas and this forum has been painfully boring lately....yet, when I liven things up a bit, they think I'm just a bitch. Typical, just like Sue Ellen, they're unable to stand up for themselves. :p

[Afton]

Oh I do...that's why I couldn't care less when people take karma away. :D

What I find rather hysterical is that these Sue Ellen fans loved the fighting on Dallas and this forum has been painfully boring lately....yet, when I liven things up a bit, they think I'm just a bitch. Typical, just like Sue Ellen, they're unable to stand up for themselves. :p

Those be fightin' words Laurie! lol

[Laurie!]

LOL, yeah I know! :D Here's an example of the comment with a bad karma I got just a few minutes ago: "Your posts are agressive" LMAO! I guess it's alright to shoot your husband but being opinionated is just abhorrent. :D

:exit:

[HookEmHorns]

LOL, yeah I know! :D Here's an example of the comment with a bad karma I got just a few minutes ago: "Your posts are agressive" LMAO! I guess it's alright to shoot your husband but being opinionated is just abhorrent. :D

:exit:
Not by me, I might add. lol. --LN (aka "Unregistered")

[Laurie!]

Hey, Hook...I'm not hurt. I love people who can take a joke graciously. :hello:

[HookEmHorns]

My bad. I was having a moment. lol. --LN (needs some of that vodka)

[Laurie!]

Cheers! :)

[HookEmHorns]

:backt: Ok, let's try not to hug, now, please. Children in the room. lol. --LN

[gravy]

Roflmao!!!!!

[lucy ewing]

gravy dont post as a guest......and yes i see one child in the room..............

[gravy47]

gravy dont post as a guest......and yes i see one child in the room..............
well you knew it was me....i didn't post as .....unregistered guest....LOL ;)

[Valene Ewing]

Sue Ellen doe snot get my vote. Pam & Val were more true to the game than Sue Ellen. Sue Ellen was just money hungry & looking for security. Meanwhile, money never mattered to Val or Pam. And you can't slam Val for not standing by her husband when he has cheated. Cheating ain't suppose to happen from begin with. It doesn't make you a good wife for forgiving your husband for cheating. Dumb maybe, but not good.

[vitaluv]

I love Pamela! Not only is that my mother's name, but Victoria Principal shares my first name! So you can see why mommy and I loved this show from the start. We were both in it. :D

Now, with that bit of useless info said, I would have to say that Sue Ellen as the most loyal wife. She put up with a lot of crap and I know that I wouldn't have put up with it and Pam was my kind of girl because she didn't take it either. Sue had her faults, but they were mostly propelled by JR and his scheming ways.

I really started out not liking her because she seemed to be a power hungry wench who had no reason to hate Pamela at all, but I came to realize that after being married to JR for seven years, of course you become that way. What was important to JR was important to her. And applaud her effort in trying to keep her marriage together even when she knew what JR was doing.

[Valene Ewing]

But the thing is that Sue Ellen only put up with that because she depended on a man to take care of her. Some women put up with abuse from their husbands becaus ethey can't care for themselves. That is sad. Pam would have never put up with that because she was too strong to allow it. Sue Ellen gets no props for being weak & dependent.