Why I Hate Victoria Principal!

[Afton]

Okay, I seemed to get asked this question a lot. Hopefully this post will clear up any questions about why I hate Victoria Principal so much. I will list them then explain each one to further emphasize my points http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Okay, here goes...

#1) She is so FAKE!

#2) Everything that is on her is fake so she somewhat resembles a sea hag!

#3) She has little or no respect for "Dallas", the show that made her a star.

Okay, that's all I can think of for now. When the Victoria Principal fans attack me I'm sure a lot more will come out. On with the explanations...

#1) She is so FAKE!

Okay, face it. She may act like Miss Polly Perfect but we all know that she is a major bitch. I mean, the woman even admitted she was in her biography! It came straight from the horse's mouth. VICTORIA IS A BITCH. End of story...

#2) Everything that is on her is fake so she somewhat resembles a sea hag!

Okay, she may deny this all she wants but we all know that most of Victoria Principal is as real as leprechauns. I mean look at her face! She is UGLY. She was beautiful in the mini-series but as time went on and she began to add, remove and tuck she became one ugly ho!

And finally...

#3) She has little or no respect for "Dallas", the show that made her a star.

Victoria left "Dallas" to start anew. I can totally understand that. But what I don't understand is the fact that she talks about her time on "Dallas" as if it were all some bad dream. She cannot forget the show that made her what she is today. She may not have enjoyed it and she may have good reasons not to look back on it fondly but in my honest opinion she still has to respect it. She is better known for her acting on "Dallas" than anything else. I'm sure people don't exclaim when they spot her on the street: "LOOK! There's that woman from those skin care infomercials! I have to get her autograph!" I mean, c'mon!

Anyway, this is just my opinion. All you Victoria Principal fans can rip me to shreds if you wish but, as I have already mentioned, this is after all just my opinion. I welcome anyone else's http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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"You're a loser Cliff. I don't date losers."

[JockEwing]

I think we already went through this with my VP new show thread a couple of months ago, but I have to agree with most of Afton's points, VP was gorgeous before she started hacking her face and body up! Thats what bugs me the most. I just hate it when these men or women ruin something beautiful. I just have no respect for fake beauty. I mean
It should be something you have or don't have, you shouldn't be alllowed to cheat on
this one.

[EwingUno]

Sounds like JEALOUSY to me.

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[Pamela Barnes]

There is one thing I find very difficult to understand and continually happens and that is that people discuss how people look "they look bad, they look ugly, yuk , blah blah blah", then on the flip side sit around and make fun and joke about an actor having surgery. If they wern`t continully judged on how they look they wouldn`t feel a pressure to have it done.

When you say surgery what do you mean? That she has had the whole face lift treatment?
I actually do not believe she has had this, she well looks like she could of had collegen injections but that is very different indeed then going under the knife.

I watched her in a film a couple of nights ago (Abducted) and she doesn`t look like she anything like someone whos had a face lift, but then again I have not seen her in anything recently made.

If we`re going to put her down on that basis then you may has well attack the entire cast.
Linda Grays lips have expanded two fold, collegen injections in the lips.

I really don`t understand the contempt for her, I can appreciate not liking the character of Pamela as at times she was a real pain but attacking Victoria Principal I don`t fully understand.
Acting in a tv show is a job not national service, she left and has had not one bad word to say about it. She is a true professional.
Despite accusations that shes hated by the cast Patrick Duffy recently stated how he hasn`t seen her for 6 months but they talk on the phone a lot and he called her a super business woman who is like an old school chum and built up a close relationship with.

You can slate off Pamela Ewing but I don`t fully understand putting down or disliking someone people don`t know, its like saying I really hate the person who draws Bart Simpson. I don`t know him, but hey what the heck.

I would like to know what is meant by she is a bitch? Based on what? Did her skin care products bring you out in a rash? did she back into your car? What did she do? LOL

Its quite interesting that Victoria and Barbara Bel Geddes were very close on set, both women did not truly engage in all the fun stuff and preferred to keep themselves to themselves. Both women quit, but I don`t see a thread called Barbara Bel Geddes is a bitch, she turned her back on Dallas and has infact put the show down.

I`v said this so many times but if I were her I would of quit the show, any sensible actress who is informed that her role is about to be toned down and becomes a huge bore would leave.
Interesting enough (thanks to Frankie for this info) Dallas was number 5 in top 25 ratings during the dream, after Victoria quit the show vanished from the TOP 25. If your going to blame anyone for her quitting, blame the writers and producers and Larry Hagman who turned her character from a stong independent woman into a whiny bit part.
They totally underestimated the role of Pamela, and apart from JR she was the other most important character on the show, as she was the thread between the Barnes and the Ewings and the heart of the show. She was as important as JR, she was the flip side of him. Pamela was as good as JR was bad, and when these two extremes met it was classic Dallas.





[This message has been edited by Pamela (edited July 11, 2000).]

[SueEllen35]

I don't hate VP at all. In fact, I think she's an excellent actress. She played a character on Dallas that started out as a strong character. She was the only female that stood up to J.R., helped out Lucy by turning her into a more loving, mature young lady. She tried to make friends with Sue Ellen more times than I would have (I still love you Sue Ellen!), and eventually made a very close relationship with Sue Ellen. Her relationship with Miss Ellie will forever be memorable. Pam was a very strong person. But, her character was very whiney towards the end. I just wish that the writers kept her that spunky Pamela as they did in the very beginning of Dallas. I enjoyed her giving it to J.R. verbally and standing up with her loser brother, Cliff. Pam was a very fair person and very likeable person. I just think that the writers destroyed her character for the benefit of J.R.

I think VP was a beautiful woman when she was on Dallas. She was the most beautiful woman on Dallas for that matter. I don't know if it was surgery, or just that she aged badly like some people do, but she isn't as beautiful as she once was. She still looks good, but not as breath taking as she used to be.

I don't know that much about VP personally, but she is truly a gifted actress and I can't think of anything bad to say about her. I don't blame her for leaving Dallas. Her character was getting weak and Dallas was losing great story lines. She just wanted to branch out to better roles. I have enjoyed every movie she's made since she left Dallas. I can't wait to watch Titans. I really enjoyed watching her role on Providence - just the complete opposite of Pam Ewing! Way to go VP!

[Sanoahwolf]

Hey Afton,

I won't attack you because everyone as I understand is allowed to post/vent on this forum. I do however disagree with your comments about Victoria Principal. We all have a difference of opinions and that is what it's all about.

I met VP in person some 8 years ago and I thought she looked wonderful. I saw her up close and I for one can not tell wheather or not she has had a face lift. If she has she still looks beautiful. I wish I will look as good as her when I'm 50.

VP will allways be my favorite of all Dallas characters with the exception of PD. They both are tied for #1 fav in my book.

I think the woman portrays extrodinary talent. She is well diversified in her craft and I can't wait to see her in her new tv series this fall.

I don't think she is fake at all. She is as genuine as they come.

Yes your right when you say that she has admitted that she has a bitchy attitude. I've read her books on nutrition and also her biography. I believe that most actresses have this side to them because of the constant competition they engage in for roles. She also said that since her marriage to her husband she has mellowed out alot mostly due to her happiness in her marriage. As we all know she had a pretty tumulteous life prior to Dallas. She ran the fast life and dated much younger guys. Nothing wrong with that if people are truly in love. I don't believe that age should become a barrier if two people want to share their lives together.

I strongly agree with Pamela. VP didn't desert Dallas. She knows that the role of Pamela Ewing launched her into tv stardom.

This morning on a local radio station they were talking about Titans and they said they will have Casper Van Diem in studio for an interview real soon since he will be visiting the Washington, D.C. area and they wouldalso like to schedule an interview with VP. I got the impression that the morning dj had a thing for Victoria. He kept refering to her as hot! hot! hot! I faxed the radio staion and asked them when they interview her to please ask some questions about Dallas. From all the interviews she has done she has never spoken an ill word about her castmates or her time on the show. She allways carries herself in a very professional way. She is truly one of most sincere celebrities I have met and I havn't met many in my travels to CA.

Peace be with you :-)

[Afton]

Okay, first of all I would like to point out that I am not jealous of VP lol. Anyway, when I made that comment that she is ugly I also meant she looked very different than the VP I loved in the mini-series. As I have already admitted, I loved Pamela during the mini-series and she was indeed beautiful. But as I looked at her during the years on "Dallas" I found her looks changed and I don't mean the aging process. I mean it looks like she has completly changed heads or something. I believe that she should have just let nature take it's course and perhaps she would have remained the very lovely woman that she was. Anyway, I will not put down any of your opinions. You are entitled to have any that you want lol.

Oh, I also did not mean to imply that she was the only one on "Dallas" to have went under the knife. I am well aware of Linda Gray's additions lol. But I was very relieved to see that she did not go all out and make her appearence completly different.

Hmmmm...I was actually not aware of BBG's put down of "Dallas". I know the show did not actually make her a star since she was a well known actress before then but I still don't justify her statement. I mean, if she put down and hated the show so much, why did she stay?

I know "Dallas" wasn't the same after VP's departure. I mean she was a key character. I also think it was sad the way her character turned out in the end. I wouldn't want to play a whiny character either lol.

Okay, I think I'm finished now lol. And on a side note, I made no comment whatsoever about her acting. I happen to see no fault in her abilities as an actress http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"You're a loser Cliff. I don't date losers."

[Miss_Ellie]

GReat Post Afton dahling !!!!I guess my main reason for hating Victoria Principal is the look she gets in her eyes when a person calls her on QVC while she is selling her face cream ,that by the way Pam DID break me out,VP gets this glazed look in her eyes and a look that says"why am I here dealing with this common looser and not on the French Rivera somewhere?"She is a blatant snob and if she hasn't had plastic surgery then neither has Joan Rivers .....yeah right!I have no problems with anyone having cosmetic surgery ,I do have a problem with that person lying about having had it.Why VP lies about having surgery is a mystery to me ,especially when it is so obvious ,her face looks like it has been covered with shrink wrap.However VP is acustomed to lying about things she lied about her age and was busted LIVE on the tonight show by Joan Rivers in the 80's .Also I hate to see her on the VH1 Andy Gibb behind the music special all teary eyed and saying how she loved Andy so and did all she could to get him to stop abusing drugs ..........more lies she cut Andy Gibb off without even a goodbye ,this I know from the biography of Tanya Tucker ,who was friends with him.Andy was treated horribly by the viper,and now she is on that special and on her intimate portrait saying how she tried so hard ,she didn't try at all .
As for her acting abilities I have no qualms with her there she just neds to learn to act like she gives a damn about the fans who made her famous and rich by buying her awful face products and I would have no complaints if she took a class on crying without your mouth opened as wide as you can get it.
Finally I ask the question where did her ass go ?It was there when the series started but as the years went by it disappeared about the same time her boobs got bigger hummmm...........maybe her ass moved north and she didn't really have breast implants afterall ,well what else could you expect of such a *cough* *cough* natural beauty like Vikki ?.........lmao

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[Jarrett]

I agree 100% Ellie! I loved your post Afton and only a total moron would think a beautiful young lady like you would be jealous of a 50+ washed up old actress!! Anyway you ladies took the words out of my mouth. VP is and always will be a snake.

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[Pamela Barnes]

Jarret you liked her the other week!!!

Deary me you change your mind fast LoL

[Anti-Krebbs]

Interesting point, Eleanor dahling.

If you do watch, her ass does get much smaller, and her bust does indeed get larger. With age, the opposite happens. When women gain weight, it first goes to the ass, and when they lose it, it goes from the bust. So she has definitely had work done.

I dont care if she has or not, but it's false advertising when she proclaims she hasnt and that in fact her little face cream product has done that to her face, all the shininess, etc.

I wish she would not snub Dallas, though I partially understand wanting to move on. She can at least acknowledge and look back and be glad that she was in Dallas, or she would not have any money at all.

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[Sanoahwolf]

Hey there Miss_Ellie,

Sorry to hear that VP's products broke you out. I havn't encountered that and I sincerely hope I never will. For me personally her products are the real thing :-) I do hope you take advantage of her 60 day bottom of the jar guarantee and get your full refund. Heck you don't even have to wait 60 days just send the stuff back with your reasons. She stands behind her products 100% because my sister had to return a lip liner and eye shadows she ordered cause the eye shadows caused irritants on her eyelids and the lip liner dried her lips out. She recieved a nice apolegetic letter from the company and got a full refund. She still continues to order other products despite the bad encounter she had with the lip liner and eye shadows :-)

[Pamela Barnes]

LOL sorry totally off the subject but this reminds me of a live chat we had with Victoria and my sister was being silly about how Victorias tan lotion made her face go green. Anyway thoughout the chat my sister was complaining and at the very end Victoria addressed my sister personally and really showed her up.

LOL

[jacey_ewing]

i think that vp was an absolutly beautiful woman, back in the day.but now not such a pretty picture. pamela, how can you say you dont believe she has had plastic surgery? give me a break! her face is pulled so damn tight i dont understand how she can smile without exploding-it is very obvious especailly when her skin was not that firm 30 years ago! i do not like vp, but like i said she was beautiful- and i think that if she would have left herself alone,and aged naturally , she would still look great today. saying vp is all natural, is like saying lh didnt wear a rug on his head!lol!

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[Punk Anderson]

Just thought I would comment!
first of all i disagree with you Afton on the first to comments about FAKE! BUT! i do agree with you that VP does seem to discredit Dallas, she seems to forget where would she be today if not for DALLAS?
....And i do think that VP is still really HOT! I think that VP (from a guys point of view) looked really hot in the episodes after bobby was shot, (when she cut her hair short!) ohhhhh!

Thanks for reading.

[Afton]

Thanks Jarrett dear for defending my honor lol. The day I'm jealous of that sea hag will be the day I get plastic surgery to make me prettier! http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"You're a loser Cliff. I don't date losers."

[Pamela Barnes]

Oh deary me,
Jarrett I really think you should of requested a show starring just Carter McKay, Donna, and Ray as these seem to be the only characters you liked. LoL

Anyway I think its great that the Pam character has created such passion, she was a passionate character and to stir up such emotion you must care deeply for her.
As the saying goes theres no hate without love. So i believe you all truly LOVE Victoria and Pamela.

BUT she has never discredited Dallas, she has infact said great things about the show. I have watched so many interviews with her and soon I will get these on the site so you can see how wonderful she is. During the 80`s she was more or less spokeswoman in the UK for Dallas, she did ALL of the promotions and interviews and since leaving she has said how wonderful her time was on the show BUT she didnot like Pamela after about the 5th season because she became a bore.

I know you are all secretly Victoria fans and being such I will allow you free membership to the Victoria/Pam fan club. I know Ellie and Afton will wear their badges and t-shirts with great pride.

I also hear Jarrett was spotted dressed as Pamela at a fancy dress party, photos to be published soon.
LOL http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[Sanoahwolf]

Time out!!! Time out!!! Time out!!! I need a chance to catch my breath Pamela. Oh god your post was so funny and in good humor I might add :-) I can't wait to read the VP interviews, thanks :-)

[Afton]

Pamela,

"I know you are all secretly Victoria fans and being such I will allow you free membership to the Victoria/Pam fan club. I know Ellie and Afton will wear their badges and t-shirts with great pride."

?????????

Whatever you are on you GOTTA get me some lol http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Just kidding.


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"You're a loser Cliff. I don't date losers."

[Pamela Barnes]

Its called Princial Secret nail varnish, one sniff and your away http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Afton]

Oh yeah Pam, like I'd actually buy something from Victoria Principal http://www.homepagetools.com/bulletinboard/Pamela/eek.gif I'll just stick to my wacky tabacky instead lol. (just kidding!)

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"You're a loser Cliff. I don't date losers."

[Jarrett]

I think a new show about the McCays would be wonderful since the fanbase is so deep.


I do NOT like VP or the pam character, and if I met VP in person I would tell her.


Pam I had no idea you were so drunk when we went out on the prowl last weekend. I was wearing a ugly dog mask thus making it seem I was VP. BTW pam I loved your Hillary Clinton costume http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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[Sanoahwolf]

Afton,

Your a trip!!!! I like your sense of humor http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif It's a shame I won't be able to attend the fans gathering out at Southfork in the fall because your definately one of the people I would like to meet. Maybe next gathering huh? Even though we wouldn't share Pam stories we would still have much to chat about because I like the Afton character too :-)

Pamela,

I would love to be able to wear nail polish other than just something transparent. Because of my job (I'm a sign language interpreter)I can't wear anything that's to flashy that would distract my clients attention and unfortunately my face and hands are the center attraction for any deaf client trying to read my signs :-( because I really like most of the colors she offers.

[Afton]

Sanoahwolf,

Thank you so much for your wonderful compliments http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'm glad you enjoy my sense of humour. I do aim to please lol. I happen to find your posts enjoyable as well and you score big points with me as you are a Sue Ellen fan and you like Afton too http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif They are my favourite characters (in exactly that order too lol).

I cannot make it to this gathering either http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Maybe if they have another we can meet http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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"You're a loser Cliff. I don't date losers."

[Pamela Barnes]

Jarrett our pics caused offense I will explain later why in chat so I deleted them http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Sanoahwolf,
That is interesting what you said regarding your job, in my own job I come across people with hearing impairments and I find it amazing how the interpreter uses sign language. I never thought about it in regards to nail varnish etc but its so fascinating how those things are so important.




[This message has been edited by Pamela (edited July 12, 2000).]

[Sanoahwolf]

Yes I was a bit shocked myself when I learned of an interpreters code of ethics. Appearence wise is the only thing that differentiates between an interpreters code of ethics from a Dr's, a lawyer's and a priest. My closet is full of all the dark colors. I miss not being able to wear floral, stripes, or check patterns. Solid backrounds are more suitable so as the eyes of the clients don't have to overwork themselves trying to read the signs :-)Lol. Even though there are some disadvantages like the clothing I still wouldn't trade my job for anything...well http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

p.s. Sorry if my comment was not topic related. Pls feel free to move it or delete it :-)

[Pamela Barnes]

No no not at all Sanoahwolf, I think its interesting to hear about the `real life` of people who post. You have been here along time and I love to read your posts so its nice to hear about your work and what you do.

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[Joshua]

I completely agree that Victoria Principal is a snob, she doesn't appreciate how Dallas made her famous, or her fans. I have written to most Dallas and Knots characters and the ones I have recieved replies from so far all sent letters and personally signed autographs back, such as Joan Van Ark and Ted Shackelford who lead just as busy lives as Victoria Principal, but Victoria Principal is too good to go that low, she has hers printed on small photo's by an autopen machine.

[Sarah]

Ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!! I haven't even read your replies, because I am sure that some of them would make me very angry, so I'm just going to laugh at the title of this post.

Way to go Afton!!!!!!!

[Afton]

Thanks Sarah! After all, we all know who the REAL lady of "Dallas" was http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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"You're a loser Cliff. I don't date losers."

[Joshua Slow]

Okay, I was looking for a thread about Victoria Principal's "Intimate Portrait" on Lifetime. I just watched it last night on the Lifetime Movie Network, I think.

Well, I guess this thread is close enough--lol, although we could also talk about why we LIKE her.

[Afton]

Oh my God! This was like a post I made when I was fairly new, lol. Thanks for giving me a good laugh, Joshua http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I forgot this fight.

Nice to see it again. My opinion hasn't changed http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

[ChrisSumnerMatheson]

I love it and agree with everything Afton said! VP is fake! Look at her now! On Titans even! She is a monster!!!

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[Wendell2002]

that's so true. What's her plastic surgeon of husband thinking?

'If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.'

Nietzche

[Pam \"Bobbi\" Ewing]

Wendell, thought you would have a go at Vipers

[Danny_James]

gee,

i never knew when afton first joined here she was so hot headed - wot a little devil!

this is an interesting post, one i didnt see originally because i joined in 2001.

Funny 2 read - im proud to say audrey landers - our "afton" - to this day still looks lovely and there is no way she is anything but all natural - many people forget about audrey when talking of the dallas ladies and beauty ect - audrey is still a stunner!

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[Laurie!]

This thread is cruel and pathetic! Afton, you seem to be nice and funny...but... http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Moonie.gif http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I don't understand why so many people choose to isolate VP and pick on her. I'm sure she has broad shoulders and is laughing all the way to the bank at people who think she's an ugly bitch. Frankly, I think she looks great for her age. To say that you can't recognize that she's the same person who played the early Pam....I think the same of Patrick, Linda, and Larry. They've all aged...25 years to be exact!!!!

Victoria was highly under-rated. The show suffered the consequences of that fact. http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/user.gif

[Christo]

How can somebody talking about other person without enough knowledges and closer relationships? http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif
Victoria has ever been beautiful and kind person as per me but I cant be sure because I dont know her personally. So I think we have to keep clear our posts and opinions from a words like b**h because somebody could be hurt from this.

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[Wendell2002]

I don't know if she s a bitch. I only know, that, in my opinion, she's ugly and can't act her way out of paper bag - and, as it is my opinion, and it's just as valuable as anyone's elses, I am going to state it and not going to apologize for that!

She ruined my Dallas for me on many occasions, so yes, I don't like her. I think that talented actress would make Pam seem much less annoying and hollow.

If that's true that she had physical fight with her husband and police found them both bruised, and now on, they are still together, I think it's pretty sick relationship esp. for woman her age. But it might just as well be not true, so I base my dislike of her on facts we know. And I do NOT like that she never bothered to appear for one short reunion of show which made her star - before that, she was famous mostly for that movie where she starred naked and photos in adult magazines - and Judge Roy Bean, of course, but it's nothing compare to what Dallas made her. And I don't know how woman looking like her at this age have audacity to sell her "beauty products" to people stating that they will make them look like her. Does she loook in a mirror - ever? How blind and self-obsessed one should be to have such look and make such commercials?

All of this doesnt' make her very adorable person in my opinion, and I don't know why I am supposed to like her. That's just my thoughts and impressions, and yours might be opposite -that's fine by me. But I don't feel like changing mine.

'If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.'

Nietzche

[Wendell2002]

As for her age, look at Donna mills. She's older, I believe, and looks hell lot better. Look at Sofia Loren and Lucia Mendez. THey are still hot and don't look like victims of plastic surgery. They probably have it, but it was succesful - maybe they knew where to stop, while Vicky, being "concerned" over her body - couldn't she be less vain - didn't?

'If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.'

Nietzche

[ShaneMcS]

she was gorgeous in the first and second series and then started went downhill.

she cant act and she looks ridiculous now, how she got the part is a farce! the lady who played Pam when she had had the plastic surgery was a better actress and quite nice.

annoyed the crap out of me on many occasions, as my Dad says it was like as if she was reading the lines off a board they were holding up for her.

i am running for president of the anti pam/VP campaign http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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[Wendell2002]

Hey, watch out! http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif There are solid pretenders out there! I might offer you place of vice-president. I know the line for our campaign "Do YOU hate Vipers like we do?@

'If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.'

Nietzche

[Joshua Slow]

Over the years I've had discussions about Victoria Principal with numerous individuals. Most females don't have a very postitive reaction (although one did allow that she thinks she's "really beautiful").

When I said, for example, "There's a sad quality about Victoria Principal," my girlfriend at the time quipped without hesitation, "Is it sad--or is it PATHETIC?" She also referred to VP as "a limp dishrag." The same young lady had an "adamant feeling" about Joan van Ark and Mary Tyler Moore but not as intense as what she feels for VP and Cybill Shepherd. She scoffed, "I HATE Cybill Shepherd, and I HATE Victoria Principal."

Others have had less impassioned responses, such as, "She's no great actress" or "She's so namby-pamby."

I remember once teasingly asking this Pakistani woman what her opinions on VP were: "You think she's stupid and shallow?"

The Paki woman surmised, "She is NOT stupid, but she is shallow."

Yeah, I'd say VP is definitely no dummy. Hell, she even got into law school. You can tell by the way she talks in interviews that she does have a head on her shoulders.

[James from London]

I liked Afton's reasoning in her original post:

"#1) She is so FAKE!
Okay, face it. She may act like Miss Polly Perfect but we all know that she is a major bitch. I mean, the woman even admitted she was in her biography! It came straight from the horse's mouth."

So Victoria HERSELF admitted that she was fake. How honest! Doesn't that, in a round about way, make her all the more the genuine?

James

[Joshua Slow]

Right, james, real bitches never admit to it, lol.

No, it doesn't make her more genuine-- it just proves she's smart enough to practice a little "damage control" because she knows her reputation.

From my experience, most rattlesnakes will rattle their tail before striking... It's not necessarily honesty per se.

If only VP could really be like Pam, she could have taken some lessons, I try not to think about how she looks or acts today, I remember her as Pam. She owes alot to Dallas, I have tried the skincare and it is not much for the price it costs!

[Afton]

Oh wow, didn't know this post would keep going...

First of all, I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with this post. Last time I checked this was a forum and a forum is a place to post thoughts and opinions is it not? Just because they may not represent the majority doesn't mean it cannot be said. Plus, I highly doubt anyone of importance will read this and take offense.

I remember this post caused quite a stir first time around. Nice to see it doing the same once again.

[Danny_James]

LOL afton,

and billybobs summary of how a rattlesnike shakes its tale b4 striking..... makes me just laugh my ass off - come on guys - victoria - u may not like her or love her - but u can hardly sum her up as a total bitch and compare her to a rattlesnake - just a little o.t.t. i think....

oh and affie - i never realised victoria had a biography - you mentioned it - can you tell me what its called - or like when it was published - reason i ask is because i have larrys patricks and lindas and i would love one on victoria!

Dan.

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Personally i thought Victoria Principle did a great job playing Pam. Her storylines were great and the fact that J.R. disliked her so passionalty made for some great scenes. I don't know the woman personally so can't comment on what kind of person she is in real life. Perhaps in the USA some of you have been able to see footage/interviews etc.. showing Victoria today but i can't say i have seen anything other than her commercials with her in and that so wont comment on that. I do find it a bit boring thought that woman get such scrutiny over everything from hairstyles to rumours.. to just about everything. Unless they 'obviously' arnt good looking or successful and then they are held up as 'adorable' or funny. Theres nothing more annoying to many people than a beautiful, succesful woman.

Personally i think that the first half, say the first 7 years of Dallas was so great is that the creators got a great mix of characters. Linda, Patrick, Larry, Vicoria, Ray etc.. they were a great mix of people.

[Wendell2002]

I could never get over her huge butt, lack of talant and crooked leg. And her scary outfits.. and.. well.

I don't hate her as person, though, in a sense that I hope she lives long and happily. But she gets my negative reaction anytime I see her on the screen. I wish she wasn't an actress. Well, she wasn't an actress, but I had to look at her!

'If you gaze for long into the abyss, the abyss also gazes into you.'

Nietzche

[thora]

Victoria Principal is Gorgeous and a good actress. She was Miss Florida for Miss USA or something,she was always gorgeous.
Todays actresses with breast impl.
Halle Berry
Sharon Stone
Most of the Victoria Secret Models.
Shannon Doherty
Cortney Cox
others by the thousands..
.......todays surgery is much better and undetectable for the most part if it is done while relatively young.
Victoria was a knockout, but everyone will age,she is perhaps fighting it a bit.I saw her on Ophra thother day and she actually looked good, like she had let things go back to natural. I think if anything she may have been getting collegen and botox, which wears off, and your face goes back to natural.
Victoria was/ is a beautiful woman.Today no one talks about Sharon's implnts, or Hallie's , becuase doctors do these things tastefully.
Whereas Pam Anderson went over the Top.
Still I think all these women are beautiful.
I think many people who put down a womans looks are just JEALOUS! It's hard to be born a beautiful woman, because one has so much more to lose,when age naturally comes.....Bridgette Bardot.

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[thora]

People are so JEALOUS, and still talking about her, which is WHY YOU KNOW SHE IS GORGEOUS! Pam rocks.Victoria did it her way! http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/wave1.gif

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[Dusty]

I thought Victoria did a fine job with the mini-series, and most of season one. I'm not sure what exactly happened, but towards the end of the first season, when she would attempt to be emotional, it would usually seem a little over the top, and whiney. I'm not sure if the problem was her acting or the scripts she was given to work with. I never really ended up disliking the Pam character, but I always kinda missed the spice she seemed to have in those early days.

As far as Victoria, I don't really have strong feelings, one way or the other. She seems alright in interviews, and she seemed to leave Dallas at just the right time, can you really blame her? Maybe she could give a little more credit to Dallas(and I really think, if a good script is involved, she should reunite with the cast), but a lot of actors hate being known for one character, and a lot of times they end up somewhat resentful of the part.

JR: "Oh, that's probably just the Weatherman, calling to make sure I have enough sunshine"..

[Pamela Barnes]

I dont see how anyone can hate an actor, its not as if we know them. Hating her is like hating Santa, I mean I dont really understand. Sure you can hate a tv character but an actor?

Its not as if as an actress she has done anything nasty or bad so I dont get it.

I think Vicotoria should be a role model for women, yet her strength of character, savvy business sense and ability to continue a long term relationship seem to have caused her to be a target. Would you rather she was meak little mouse?

Victoria originally played the Hollywood game and came out it stronger and knowing how to play in a mans world of showbiz. She should be given credit for it not ridiculed.

So what if she left Dallas, good for her, she had enough. On one hand people attack her for her acting and in the same breath attack her for not reprising her role of Pamela. DOH!

I think its cool that she decided to leave and had the strength to make that decision and try new things. Why should she stay somewhere just to make some fans happy if she isnt.

"Sometimes in life you feel the fight is over, And it seems as though the writings on the wall, Superstar you finally made it,But once your picture becomes tainted,It's what they call, The rise and fall"

[Christo]

Totally agree woth you Pam. I think that Victoria got the right decision and noone can judge her fot this. I am very sad from yestarday night when I watched for the first time 252 episode ( the first ep. without her), but I still like her and her character.
And by the way she has to be proud with the look she has at her ages. How many women could looks like her?

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[Laurie!]

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Victoria may or may not be a lot of things, but ugly....come on! She's definitely not ugly. It's usually the beautiful ones that incur this sort of negative abuse.

I think that Victoria could teach a lot of us how to live better, fuller, more interesting lives. She travels, hanglides, jumps off the highest peaks of mountains, goes hot-air ballooning at sunset, goes down the olympic bobsled course, she's actively involved in charitable organizations, she owns her own companies, she's been married to the same man for almost 20 years, she's intelligent and compassionate...... http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/user.gif

I think that most of you are seeing the attack of the green-eyed monster.... http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Weak-Link.gif
I'm not trying to sound like a broken record. Just give her kudos where kudos are due.

[Afton]

Hmmm...Why is it when I'm reply to a post that I disagree with I try to remain respectful of the person and just say I disagree. Obviously this isn't the case here. If I had a dolllar for everyone who told me I'm jealous then I'd be rich. I just don't like her, nothing to do with being jealous. I think I know myself better than any of you so believe me when I say I'm not.

[Laurie!]

OK, first of all...take off the halo Afton. You talk about respecting people and that people don't know you....Were you respecting VP? Do you know VP?

Like you said before...this is a forum where people are allowed to debate. If you can't handle it when people challenge your views or want logical explanations of comments...where's the debate? When you create a spiteful topic like this one, I think that you're asking to be called jealous. Also, if you can't come up with better reasons to hate someone than: she's fake, she has no respect for Dallas, her body is fake...you better look up the definition of the word hate.

Also, you're picking on VP specifically. Do you think that Audrey Landers, bleached blonde hair is her natural colour? Do you think that her boobs are real? Do you think that she hasn't had a bit of alteration done to her face? Don't you think that it's disrespectful to Dallas that she now has moved on and writes children's books?....Give me a break!! http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

[ChrisSumnerMatheson]

I don't know about her personal life, but I know that she is pretty during Dallas' run, and after that she turned into a monster. Her and Joan Van Ark. See with Joan, she sometimes looks good, but Victoria ALWAYS looks bad. I just saw her on that QVC channel about a week ago. She is SO UGLY now. Its not natural aging she had tons of plastic surgery...umm what is her husbands profession again? Thank you.

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[Afton]

Okay, I may carry the name 'Afton' but it does not mean I adore Audrey Landers. Far from it actually. I just enjoyed the character. As for what you said, no I do not mind debate, I welcome it actually and like I said before, you are more than welcome to have your opinion. BUT, you took it to a personal level, attacking me rather than my opinion by saying I was cruel and pathetic and that is what set me off. I never had an arguement on this forum before and I'm not about to start anything with you because since you have come here I rather enjoyed your posts but I will not apologize for defending myself.

[ChrisSumnerMatheson]

Laurie, whatever work Audrey had done...she still looks hot. To this day. Victoria doesn't. She should be seeing Audrey's plastic surgeon. Its not a matter of getting work done, its that she got too much, and it shows.

Also, I LOVE Linda Gray's new lips...just like Lisa Rinna's expect Lisa's are real.

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[Laurie!]

Alright, alright, where's the Southfork pool when I need it? Afton, you need to be thrown in and cooled down. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I am just kidding b.t.w. I enjoy your posts too and I'm not seriously trying to pick a fight with you. I respect your opinion, but I still think that this topic (not you) is cruel and pathetic!

This sort of topic is my biggest pet peeve about this forum. I am intentionally inmature and silly in a lot of my posts, but I'm never hurtful towards anyone. I find this sort of topic to be very junior high. Kind of like when kids make fun of others, cause they're wearing non brand-name clothes or when they have a pimple face. Talk about superficial!
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[Afton]

Okay, okay...Truce? Then maybe a dip in the pool? http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Laurie!]

Wait...wait... http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Duel.gif

There, I just had to get that last little fight out of the way. Truce. http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/wave1.gif

[Afton]

hehe Okay, I'll take down the cannons now.

First off: There was no "mini-series". The first five episodes were a pilot, in which they were trying to get CBS to pick up the series permanently. This is different than a mini-series, which by definition stands alone, with a definite start and end date.

Anyway, I have nothing against VP (I can't believe we're talking about her surgeries, which everyone in Hollywood has). Actually, I can even understand her leaving the show, though I am still resentful of it. In my mind, Dallas would have been stronger for longer, if she had stayed. After her departure, the cast chemistry was never the same, and the show went downhill fast.

What really bothers me - and I hope Pammy1 and others can address this - is how she refused to appear in the final episode or any reunion movies. To me, this was a slap in the face at all Dallas fans. Yes this show, and its fans, were what made her a superstar and multi-millionaire. Could she not give us the courtesy of an appearance in the final episode??

[thora]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Victoria I think is a beauty. The Beauty of Victoria is that she survived all the b.s. I love a survivor, which is why I like Victoria,Joan Collins,Donna Mills,Linda Evans,Joan Van Ark,Linda Gray,Michelle Phillps,all of these women live, thrive and have survived .....and audiences still love them.

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Be nice to Afton!!!!

[Jamie Barnes]

I found Pamela actually always very beautiful. But now she looks, really, a little bit artificially. Just today I have seen her advertisement to Principal Advance again. Also I don`t know but somehow she looks comically. I can`t say if Victoria is a bitch. I don`t know her in private. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I have read an interview (http://www.geocities.com/andygibbpage/victoriassecrets.html) of her.

One passage in the text I find very interesting.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Principal has also been dogged by rumors about why she remained childless. (Her husband has two children from a previous marriage, and she is close to them). �Maybe it is time to answer this question,� she says. �I have always been reticent, and I know there have been rumors that I didn�t have children because of my vanity. I didn�t have children because I can�t have children. It was the luck of the draw. I was blessed with two wonderful stepchildren, but it is a loss. It was certainly what I would have done. The question is, how many.� <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For me this does not sounds arrogantly. However, I also don`t know how much of it is true. But if people have children or love children it make the person for me always a little bit more sympathetically. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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The most successful serie of the world. Giants, speculators, intriguers, Whiskey aunts...
" I take already care of everything "

[This message was edited by Jamie on 09-22-03 at 01:24 AM.]

[Alex Wade]

Tanya Tucker who was friends with him. Andy was treated horribly by the viper...

Tanya Tucker was so drunk and high at the time that how could she possibly have any objective opinion of Victoria Principal??? Tanya was probably getting Andy LOADED and enabling his addictions, and therefore snobby Victoria didn't want anything to do with that nasty slut either.

Say what you want about Pam as a character, but the show was largely about J.R. and her. PERIOD. Principal was treated like crap on Dallas, and she should have left sooner with what they were doing with her character...

[Alex Wade]

Tanya Tucker - the drunk who sells Black Velvet whiskey once she gets out of rehab - not exactly a credible source...

I loved VP.

Her whiney voice actually was kind of nice,
if you know what I mean!!! http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Sarah]

Victoria Principal was never treated like crap on Dallas. Why do you say that? Because her character slipped into the background when Sue Ellen developed? VP was asked to stay on - she didn't want to. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JR "Sue Ellen, I'm with you because I wanna be. It's always been you...always"

[R.B]

Well that does it for me.......I am tending to believe more and more what has been attributed to Tanya Tucker (one of my favorite country singers btw ...."Delta Dawn").

We have a saying down here near the Mezzican border .....it goes something like this;

"Los Ninos y los borachos .........siempre hablan .......la verdad"

Know what I mean Vern ...........???.....*W*.

R.b. gotveg.comhttp://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung0903/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-007.gif

Sometimes all a cowboy has are his beans and his boots.

[Pamela Barnes]

Victoria was right to leave that guy, I mean she had to think of her career and her own needs, you just dont stay with someone who isnt willing to help themselves. I personally would not have the time to indulge an abusive drug user thanks.

She left him and he died......not her problem. If we all went into self pity poor me mode everytime a relationship ended the world would be in a sorry state.

Of course Victoria was unhappy, she wasnt one of the clique group. Like Susan Howard she was pushed out because she supported the wrong side and her character was a major player in the dream season. Due to show politics and the ridiculous return of Duffy she made her decision and quit.

We lost two fine female characters due to clique. The Larry/Katzman supporters got better roles. Others who were not happy were sidelined i.e VP, SH and BBG.

BBG was a VERY close friend and ally of Capice.

Linda just went along with the Larry gang, thats not an insult to her, I guess she knew where her bread was buttered and sucked up. Other people didnt

"Sometimes in life you feel the fight is over, And it seems as though the writings on the wall, Superstar you finally made it,But once your picture becomes tainted,It's what they call, The rise and fall"

[Jamie Barnes]

So Pam... who was in the Larry gang???

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[Pamela Barnes]

Katzman, Larry, Duffy and Gray mainly (although Hagman, Katzman and to some degree Pat Duffy held the power cards), slightly in this circle but more on the outskirts was Steve Kanaly, and in later years Sheree J Wilson.

"Sometimes in life you feel the fight is over, And it seems as though the writings on the wall, Superstar you finally made it,But once your picture becomes tainted,It's what they call, The rise and fall"

[Jamie Barnes]

Ooh... not many. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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[Sarah]

I don't think Linda Gray sucked up to anybody. Larry Hagman and her were best friends LONG before the "clique" started. What you are saying suggests that the only reason her and Hagman were friends was so that she could "keep her place". Linda Gray and Larry Hagman are best friends to this day, who still go out together and share things together. To be honest I think a lot of people seem to overlook the fact that Linda Gray got a better role in Dallas because of the magic that her and Hagman created for their characters. Sue Ellen grew because of LINDA, not because Linda Gray and Larry Hagman are close friends. VP talks about how close SHE is to Patrick, so why then would he overlook her? Anyway, how do we know that VP was unhappy? How do we actually know she felt pushed out? Deary me this is all getting very dark!! Why can't we just see the good in people?? http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JR "Sue Ellen, I'm with you because I wanna be. It's always been you...always"

[Laurie!]

I agree totally Sarah B! http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/wave1.gif

The whole cast of Dallas is very, very reticent. Very rightly so, I might add. We don't need to know all the details of their personal friendships. Obviously they're all like a family and all still communicate to this day. Every main character was well liked. They've all stated this time and time again.

I think that people pick on VP cause they're angry because she left the show. Obviously I was unhappy when she left the show, cause I basically only continued to watch to see Sue Ellen progress and get some backbone...oh and for my beloved eye candyman himself....Mr. Bobby Ewing. http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Kiss-On-Lips.gif

[Sarah]

LOL - yum yum!! http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Lollipop.gif

Yes, I agree. I mean it was only last year that VP gave an interview stating that "I don't miss being that famous, but I do miss the faces of the cast that I loved so much".

Why would she say that if she didn't mean it? http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Thankyou.gif

JR "Sue Ellen, I'm with you because I wanna be. It's always been you...always"

[Laurie!]

Hey...he's My Beloved Eye Candyman http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Lollipop.gif http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Damn it all anyway...I always forget about his wife! http://images.bravenet.com/brpics/smilie/sosad.gif http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Sarah]

OK, you can have him if I can have Hagman, deal? We can go out on the town pretending we're Sue Ellen and Pam! http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JR "Sue Ellen, I'm with you because I wanna be. It's always been you...always"

[Danny_James]

i would agree with pam about whos in the larry gang, linda gray, duffy and hagman , never have a bad word to say about katzman - obviously proving they love him to bits, i can imagine gray hagman duffy all walking around the set as if they owned it - bullying barbara to get rid of her sack dresses or else!

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[Pamela Barnes]

Gee sorry but like any work place Dallas had its issues, dynamics. Lets not view the show through rose colored glasses.

"Sometimes in life you feel the fight is over, And it seems as though the writings on the wall, Superstar you finally made it,But once your picture becomes tainted,It's what they call, The rise and fall"

This post is very belated, very shallow, and very off the current topic. But I noticed early on in this thread someone stated that Linda Gray's lips are fake and that Lipsa Rinna's lips are real?!? NOT! Try the other way around! I can't stand when people compare Linda Gray's lips to Lipsa Rinna's. Linda Gray's lips are more than likely real. I've seen photographs of her dating back to when she was just a kid and she already had full lips back then! I almost remember to the day when Lipsa got her new lips. One day she had NO lips and then like a day later she had a horizontal ass where her mouth used to be. Sure Linda Gray could have had a touch up or something, but at least SHE had something to work with. Lipsa's lips are totally faux.

[ChrisSumnerMatheson]

You fool, I thought they were fake too until I saw baby pics and high school pics...the lips were there! LISA RINNA'S LIPS ARE REAL! I'll try and find them and post them. I'm sure her parents didn't get her lips done at birth.

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[Afton]

Oh gee, yet another registered poster who replies under an assumed name as to not be discovered then says what they like thinking no one will know who it is. Little hint to you, ???, if someone wanted to know who you were bad enough all they would have to do is look up your IP and it would list your registered user name. Just something to keep in your mind for future reference. Personally, I'm not that curious.

[Sarah]

Im not viewing anything through rose coloured spectacles. Maybe Im just a bit naive, but I like to try and see the best in people. I know every workplace (especially showbiz ones!) have their differences, but I always thought the Dallas team were pretty close knit and that the major players were all close. I like to try and see the best in people and I've never got the impression that Larry Hagman would have ever let anything bad be said or done to Barbara or Victoria. Saying that Gray and Duffy would have bullied anyone is plain rubbish and quite frankly ridiculous. Just my opinions. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JR "Sue Ellen, I'm with you because I wanna be. It's always been you...always"

[Pamela Barnes]

I dont recall using the term bully once.

"Sometimes in life you feel the fight is over, And it seems as though the writings on the wall, Superstar you finally made it,But once your picture becomes tainted,It's what they call, The rise and fall"

[Danny_James]

well put pam.

and to afton - LOL - you have us intreagued now...... who are the mystery posters?

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Well, even Linda was "pushed-out" because Katzman wasn't terribly fond of the stronger storylines she lobbied for [or the tougher her character became] in later years-- although the P.R. statement was that she quit.
Hagman himself has since said that Linda felt that Katzman had an agenda against her-- yeah! She had a vagina and Katzman wan't happy about it!

And why do I hate Victoria Principal? One reason: she has all that money God meant ME to have!!

[Afton]

LOL Billybob!

DJ: Tisk, tisk...Did I not say I wasn't interested? http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I've noticed that this forum has become increasing poilitical in its own respect and it is very dissapointing. When it began it wasnt so political and yet look at it now! Even the animated eoticons have become stupid and offending. Not offending in visual, BUT there main purposes have become to insult people these are the following:
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What happened to all of the old cool emoticons??? I especially miss the cowboy one.

This topic is un-nessessary and many of you are too involved with people youve never met. People dont always get along, thats life. MOVE ON.
If you hate VP then go ahed but dont ruin it for the rest of us who at least like her to some degree. GROW UP!!!!!!!

I move to discontinue the topic.
All those in favour?

Carried unanimously.

This topic is now laid to rest. -

If you don't like the thread don't open it.

If you don't like the smiles, don't use them.

Its not like people are forcing you to use them/open threads. People should be able to express their opinions. When people say they hate Donna Reed or Jenilee Harrison or someone like that no one seems to mind, lol.

[Afton]

Exactly. Everyone slammed Donna Reed for her portrayal of Ellie so why can't I slam Victoria Principal? Just my POLITICAL and CHILDISH opinion.

[ChrisSumnerMatheson]

I must say while being a first time watcher than if Vipers was on Knots Landing she'd be laughed of the screen. Her acting is very nonexistant. Has nothing to do with her personality. She wouldn't dare be able to stand up to Joan Van Ark, Michele Lee, Constance McCashin, or even little ole Nicolette. Compare the storylines and you'll see.

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Afton,
If you WERE curious about-- and have access to -- IP numbers, then you would have known that "???" wasn't me.
Furthermore, the comment made by "???" doesn't sound like anything I'd say either. Which you would know if you knew me as well as you seem to be suggesting.

I, for one, don't feel as if I know you at all, and so would never consider us enemies. Why would you single me out?

[Ask Pamela to verify, since you apparently do care... I give my permission].

[Afton]

When did I say it was you, Billybob? lol. I never meant it was you at all. Sure you're unregistered but I see you post often enough to know that you're a regular name around here. I was insinuating rather that it was a registered poster hiding under an assumed name. Sorry about the mix-up.

No offense taken, Afton. I reviewed your post, and I realized I'd mis-read it-- placing both sentences together. (I've been bitten, hence my reaction).
Sorry.

[Afton]

Not a problem. Glad to see I've not made an enemy out of you http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I can ALWAYS use another one! Let me look for something to pounce on you about-- gimme a moment! [Like this thread isn't spicy enoguh!]

P.S.:
I might suggest you pounce on ME about my spelling!

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[Afton]

Hehe...I'm sure you'll find something http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[Luke]

Sitting here trying to figure out how Tanya Tucker ended up in this post....lol

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Lucy to J.R: "Coming from the expert on tramps, I take that as a compliment'

[Danny_James]

CHILDISH, PATHETIC, STUPID, ANNOYING, but enough about Lukas..... http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Can everybody stop calling her vipers, it makes her sound like shes an out and outright snake that bites people with her venom - she isnt that bad - so stop calling her vipers, like shes that bad!

Afton - i guess i should be greatful to you, coz while this threads on the go it means my beloved donna reed gets a break, so i am very happy about that! lol.

Just one question, where will this end? - if ever! - is this thread going anywhere, what stage are we at now - is it a sorry state of affairs that thread has gone over 100 replies ?(granted some were 3 yrs ago).

AND WHO IS TANYA TUCKER????????????

Dan.

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[Tessie]

Tanya Tucker is a country singer. I don't get how she ended up in this thread either. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

"Stress - the confusion created when your mind overrides your body's basic
drive to choke the living crap out of some butthead who desperately needs it!" - Anonymous

[Pamela Barnes]

Try saying Tanya Tucker quickly with a mouthful of M & M's lol

Anyway maybe we should close this thread if we have had enough. http://www.soapchat.net/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

"Sometimes in life you feel the fight is over, And it seems as though the writings on the wall, Superstar you finally made it,But once your picture becomes tainted,It's what they call, The rise and fall"

Really ?

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[James from London]

Personally, I think it's a shame to close a thread unless it's really necessary. This has been fun! I like a bit of c'versy on the forum! I'm sure this thread will eventually fade away of its own accord just like it did before.

James

[Afton]

Yes, it will. Every post does.

Good.

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[Joshua Slow]

You know, "A Fan," by typing, "Good," you're just keeping this thread around longer....

[Danny_James]

yes joshua, i totally agree, and you know, by you replying to what "a fan" originally said, you too are contributing to carry this thread on even longer. http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Yeahh.gif

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Then let THIS be the last reply to this thread.


THE END

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[James from London]

I have found the "IHVP" topic quite interesting, although the vitriol actually ended up making me WARM to VP! I suspect there's something about an unapologetic, successful, childless woman that still pushes people's buttons.

I fail to see why Victoria Principal owes DALLAS or its audience anything whatsoever. She wasn't given the part out of kindness. We didn't watch as a personal favour. She auditioned, the producers cast her. She showed up for work for nine years and got well paid for it. We kept watching for those nine years because, presumably, we liked what we saw. Everyone's a winner! Then we all went home.

If the producers couldn't come up with a decent way to write her out after she gave notice, then it's NOT HER PROBLEM. Why should she do a reunion if she doesn't want to? After all, it's not like popping into the office for a couple of hours. It means relocating to Texas for however many weeks to do a project she doesn't even believe in. In the business we call show, which thrives on insecurity and fear, it often takes far more courage to turn down work than to say "yes, I'll do anything" for fear of being forgotten.

James

Agree with you james. Also feel that Victoria was vital to the success of Dallas, more so than Linda Gray, Charlene, Barbara etc.
She doesn't owe Dallas any favours, it was a job, she left and you move on.
She was the most beautiful woman on TV and has made a million plus since she left with her skincare products and books.
Just what exactly has Linda, Charlene, Barbara and co done since the end of Dallas? they are never in the news, and Linda and Charlene have made a few BAD films, and appeared in obscure plays.
not exactly set the film world alight, thats for sure.
Victoria, Patrick and Larry WERE DALLAS. it wouldn't have worked without them.

[Danny_James]

i agree with both james and jodie, especially on that if anything, dallas owes bictoria - because she was part of what made that show so succsessful, everybody says no hagman was, but without victoria i dont think it would of been the same, she was truly ace, we all loved her (well not all, as apparent by this thread) - but she was good and without pam there would be no barnes-ewing connection.

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[James from London]

Maybe she genuinely thought you did have leprosy. Were you spotty as a fourteen year old? Perhaps your skin had cleared up by the time you met Linda Gray.

James

[Angela Channing]

Haters, perhaps you did have a skin complaint and Victoria was thinking "if only I had some of my skin care range with me I could help this poor blighter".

But seriously, I twice met the actor Sandor Eles who appeared in Hammer Horror film and also the soap opera Crossroads. The first time I said hello and said I was a fan and he was absolutely charming and we had a bit of a conversation and he seemed genuinely interested in my line of work as I was in his. I met him again a year later and said hello and he just ignored me. Just because someone famous (or not famous for that matter) ignores you, it doesn't mean they are bad people, they may have other things on their, they have been in a hurry, they may have been hassled by hundreds of people before you and just didn't have the energy to sign an autograph. Dan knows how great Victoria is as she has sent him her autograph and also an autographed Dallas script. Hardly the act of the hateful person you seem to think she is.

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[Danny_James]

Im sorry but there is no way as a forum moderator i am allowing you to call victoria principal what you did, if you think shes a bitch - fine, if you think shes ugly - fine, but the word you used is unnaceptable.

This is a discussion forum NOT a slag off the actors forum, Victoria may have friends who visit this site, or she may even stop by herself - who knows, and people have to be a bit more tactful in what they say.

I will be keeping a close eye on this post from now on.

Dan

and P.S. - yes i did get a wonderful reply from Victoria, which, like he said, is hardly the actions of somebody who hates her fans, people often forget actors are people too, they have bad days like anybody else, so you caught her on a bad day, live with it, but dont go slagging her off over one thing, if it happens 4 or 5 times, then maybe you have a valid point, but not on the once.

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[Laurie!]

Who wouldn't ignore a rude, little s.o.b. like that?....hmmm, maybe that's my problem. http://www.ultimatedallas.com/granny/Lollipop.gif

[Tessie]

You said it before me, Laurie. Maybe VP found this guy's language offensive and realized what a loser he is.

"Stress - the confusion created when your mind overrides your body's basic
drive to choke the living crap out of some butthead who desperately needs it!" - Anonymous

[Luke]

I think Vicoria was very well respected for her work when on Dallas. But...when she left to do other things, she ended up in bad tv movies, and informercials, I thin that to some, it appeared she did not LOVE and Respect her time on Dallas like some others may play a part. But...I think Victoria did, she just did not speak of it as often as some other cast members like Larry, Linda and Charlene, who take every opporuntiy to talk about Dallas. I do not think Victoria should be punished for this.

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Lucy to J.R: "Coming from the expert on tramps, I take that as a compliment'

[Barbara Fan]

Victoria Principal is one of the reasons Dallas was such a success, and I cant believe so many people are knocking her. When I was at school, she was the reason BOYS watched the show.
She was sexy, beautiful and one of the original Ewings who all made Dallas the great success it was.

[Angela Channing]

BarbaraFan you are absolutely right. Victoria was the glue that held Dallas together. Don't get me wrong the contribution that the other actor made was also key to Dallas's success but the programme was largely about the conflict between 2 families and was intensified by Pam's marriage into the Ewing family. Victoria was one of the most loved and most popular members of the Dallas cast with fans and the vocal minority on this thread give a false impression of affection that most Dallas fans have of this fine actor and the character she created.

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[THE EWINGS]

I thought there was some rude things said about Victoria. If you don't know her personally how can anyone put her down like that. On the intimate portrait of her Larry and Patrick said some nice things about her. I think they know her probaby better that some of the posters on this forum.
Sorry I brought up an old thread but I browsing thru and saw this one.
I was amazed about how Victoria was put down.

[I_Heart_Dallas]

Oh why was this thread ever dragged from the deep?

[Afton]

It surfaces every few years. I should just close it already, lol.