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07-21-2000, 08:57 PM
Hello Knots Fans.

I have got the following Knots Landing episodes for sale:

Episode #

248 - Up the Spout Again
249 - Poetic Justice
250 - Prince Charming
251 - Close Call
252 - Best Interests
253 - When Push Comes To Shove
254 - Mixed Messages
255 - The Good Guys
256 - Perfect Couples
257 - Never Judge a Book by it's Cover
258 - Twice Victim
259 - What a Swell Party this is
260 - Oh Brother
261 - Road Trip
262 - My Firstborn
263 - Out of Control


All episodes are from Season 11.


You may purchase any of the episodes listed for $5.00 each. A few of the episodes have the first 2 minutes cut off due to recording problems but other than that the tapes are in good shape. I will ship to US only. Buyer must pay $3.00 for shipping.

If interested please send an email to: MNiscool@aol.com


Thank you very much

07-24-2000, 12:14 PM
$5.00 an episode? Considering that these are bootleg tapes and that you are not associated with Lorimar in this deal, that is a huge ripoff!!! Weren't you wondering why you had received no replies up until this point? Then you say "two minutes are so are cut." I can't believe you have the nerve to sell shotty tapes and then charge outragious, unnecessary fees. To save people from con-artists like you, I will be selling eps. from all 14 seasons for only a $1.00 an ep. I would even sell for less if someone didn't have enough money. Anything to save people from the likes of this person.

Joshua
07-24-2000, 01:47 PM
I couldnt agree more Gary, well said!

07-24-2000, 05:29 PM
Well, if you think about it there is a lot of work involved. I don't think $5.00 is a lot to ask. First, I have to buy a blank VHS tape for about $2.50, then I have to spend the time putting the episodes together, then I have to buy the envelopes to put them in. There is a process involved, and you said that you would charge people not more than $1.00? Now think of how much money you would be wasting. Think about it before you speak next time.

07-24-2000, 05:33 PM
And by the way, you said are you wondering why I have not had any replies? I said on my first post that if anybody is interested just email me. And for your information, I have had a few people email me and purchased episodes from me.

07-25-2000, 06:35 AM
Greg, will you be shipping tapes just in the U.S?

lcw
07-25-2000, 12:02 PM
Hey Greg, do you have these episodes?

1; The Pilot
12: Bottom of the Bottle Part 1
13: " " " Part 2
15: The Hitchike Part 2
34: Aftermath.

I live in the UK BTW

07-25-2000, 03:18 PM
I'm sorry to sound so hostile but it seems very strange and rare that people would need only one of the ten or so specific episodes that you listed. You might not be a con-artist but putting only an ep. on a tape seems like a waste of money on both ends(more on the consumer's side though). Even if someone only needs an ep, you should at least offer something else. I just wouldn't feel right about charging someone $5.00 for one ep. Most of the time people are interested in buying larger portions, like a couple of seasons. If you had to buy the entire series the way that you sell them, it would cost more than $1600 . The way I planned to sell them ,at $1.00 an ep. with six eps. on a tape, each tape would technically be $6.00 but they would be getting six eps. BTW, I'm not sure whether live in downtown New York City or not but you can buy vhs tapes at KMart or WalMart for only a dollar or so. Then the envelope does cost another dollar or so too. So, people would pay me $6.00 for a tape and i would be spending $2.00 for materials. I would not be losing money. That's why I said I could even maybe sell for less if people didn't have enough money. But in your situation, however, if a person is only planning on obtaining one ep. Things are different.You still do, however, only have about $2.00 worth of start up costs. I think that $3.00 would sound about right if someone wanted to do it that way. . I, however, would encourage peole to ask for other eps. to make it more economical and profitable all around. The way you explain it, it sounds like you would try to charge someone $30.00 if they wanted six eps. even though a cheaper price could be easily arranged.

07-25-2000, 03:28 PM
btw, to icw, I could send them to the UK but i would still need the shipping and handling costs. Yes, I have all of those eps. and they all came out well. I could give you the eps. for a $1.00 each. thanks.

07-25-2000, 03:37 PM
hey shane. could i receive your eps. the way that greg suggested. can i order all 16 of your episodes and then give you $16.00 for the tapes in expanded play. you would pay four bucks for the tapes plus a buck for the envelope and could still make a profit of eleven bucks.

07-25-2000, 03:41 PM
btw, my e-mail address is MarkLawton53@hotrmail.com. thank you

07-25-2000, 11:04 PM
Greg, a standard VHS tape can hold up to 7 Knots episodes. So if someone wanted 7 episodes, they would be getting a full tape. If someone only wanted one episode, I would still want to go out and buy a new tape. The way I figure it is I charge $1.00 for the episode, plus $1.00 for the envelope and $3.00 for the tape itself. Mabey I worded it wrong in my first post, but I would be charging everybody $5.00 for the first episode and only $1.00 after that, for up to 7 episodes. If they wanted more than seven, I would have to use a new tape, so the eighth episode would be $5.00. Now I can hold 2 tapes of episodes per envelope. If their order required more than 2 tapes I would have to charge an extra $1.00 per envelope I have to buy. Another thing nobody here seems to realize is time. It takes time to get all the episodes together. For example, if someone wanted 5 episodes it would take me 5 hours to get them ready. If someone wanted 10 episodes, it would take me 10 hours.

So, one more time, if someone wanted only 2 episodes, it would cost them $6.00. If someone wanted 9 episodes it would cost them $17.00.

I hope this makes things a little more clear. So really, $5.00 for the first episode and $1.00 for everyone after that, it's a pretty good price.

Daniel Avery
07-26-2000, 01:33 PM
I think the most important point of this thread has been lost: selling copies of these episodes without the consent of Lorimar (now part of Time/Warner) is AGAINST THE LAW. It's copyright infringement, folks, and people can go to jail for it. The only "official" way of selling the episodes is through a company like Columbia House, who receives permission from the producers/owners of the shows and markets the videos. One can tape things off TV for personal viewing, but making money off it is illegal.

No matter how you cut it, one can't just put up an ad on the 'net offering to sell copies of KL episodes. One can get around it by offering to "trade" the videos for something else (other tapes, for instance) but not for money.

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Man: "What's your name?"
Val: "Valene."
Man: "Valene? Sounds like motor oil."
---episode 325

07-26-2000, 05:38 PM
The way you just explained things sounds even worse now. First of all, VHS tapes do not cost $2.50 or $3.00. The envelope costs a dollar and the tape costs a $1.50 at most.If someone wanted a tape of six eps. you would charge $10 and be making a profit of $7.50 off of each tape when you could just as easily sell it for five or six bucks and make a profit.Now you're complaining about it "taking five hours to record" . Well, BOO HOO .That is a really complicated process. Isn't it? -putting a tape in and pushing record. If you taped the show in the first place i would assume that you like it and wouldn't be the most horrible experience if you had to watch them again. Also, I assume that there is at least some five hour period or so every day that you are out of your house and it would not be a big deal to record. Regarding Jason's comment, it is true that it is illegal to sell he content of the tape. I, however, in making a small profit , would appear reasonable in claiming that I was only charging for the materials and time needed to set up the recording. This person, however, by making a 400% profit would be the one in trouble for using copyrighted materials to make a profit. Especially, with how this person phrases the add. "the first one is $5.00 and the next ones are only a $1.00 each." this person is obviously selling content. He is the one who would be more likely to get in trouble for this. what really annoys me about this person is the way he is selling these like it's one of those late night paid programs and doesn't even appear to have any interest int he show. Then he only has 16 episodes from the 89-90 season. What's up with that? Why he didn't he tape to the end of the run? Maybe, however, we shouldn't blame this person but the companies responsible for allowing him to get away with these con-artist tactics- TNT for taking it off and replacing it with junk like Spencer for Hire and Chips and our cheap cable companies who won't get Soapnet for us and who are just as sneaky and conniving as this person .

07-26-2000, 05:59 PM
The reason I have become so personally involved with this is because I had to get them form a greedy person like this who was just out to get as much cash as they could out of people who were unable to view certain episodes. They said they had all of the episodes and good conditon and then it turned out that half of the episodes were fuzzy and about a quarter of them were missing. They said they needed the larger amount to buy "new tapes'. When I received them, however, i discovered that they were old videotapes from the early 1980's that had already been used a couple of times.Even that guy. however, wasn't as bad as this person. He only attempted to charge $7.00 for a tape( I haggled him down to six, he had the nerve to try to up the price but i didn't give in).You would charge ten for the same tape. I wish that the people from I know, however, that they could care less about some loser and his cut up 16 tapes.Others might say you could buy them from Lorimar in impecable condition at $20 a piece. i wanted 200 eps. That would have costed me $4,000 dollars. I'm not wealthy enought o afford that. i don't think most people are. that's why it makes me sick that this happens. i just miss the days when Icould record it myself off of TNT , could make sure it was high quality, and didn't have to deal with profiteering losers like this. It wasn't the "hard work' that this person claims it is because I, like the others on this forum, enjoyed the show. well, I've babbled on long enough. To sum up, this person, their cut up tapes, and their exorbitant prices are just plain horrible. thanks for reading . bye

Pamela Barnes
07-27-2000, 05:58 AM
The way I see it is this, and that is someone has made an offer to sell tapes, now it is up to the individuals concerned to decide if they wish to purchase them, if they feel the price is too high. Now for example I badly wanted to see Back to the Cul de sac, so I purchased it from someone in the USA like this at a similar price. Now I got what I wanted when I had no other options.
I really do think its up to people to decide, BUT please be aware that it is illegal to make a profit. The Ultimate Dallas site has been visited by Warner Brothers, they said they loved the site and after numerous discussions wuth them for us to sell Dallas merchandise they informed us that they would shut us down if we made an ounce of profit. Giving the tapes away or swapping them stops this, but making a profit puts you in rather a vulnerable position.

Jack_Ewing98
07-27-2000, 06:31 AM
Do you think it would be possible to get a copy of 'Back to the Cul-de-sac'?


can you e-mail me and let me know:

stevenclarke@chasedevere.co.uk

many thanks

07-27-2000, 02:44 PM
Greg, your last 2 replies I could not really understand. In my opionion, $5.00 for the first episode and $1.00 for everyone after that is a nice price. For the first episode, you are paying for the blank VHS tape, the time it takes me to process them, the envelope and the episode itself. Everyone after that is only a dollar, because you already paid for everything else for the first episode. For the second episoe you are only paying $1.00 for the episode. Now back to the last reply of mine, you can fit 7 episodes on a VHS tape. So if someone wanted 8 episodes, I would charge them $5.00 again for the tape, time, ect. Think about it, it does make sense. $5.00 for the first episode and $1.00 for every episode after that, up to seven episdoes. You also mentioned that I only have 16 episodes up for sale, well, I only have 16 episodes recorded. If you loved the show so much, you should not care about how much you have to spend. Especially a good price like $1.00. You are really not making any sense. Think about it.

07-27-2000, 08:41 PM
Does anyone have season 16 on tape?

knotsfan
07-28-2000, 03:47 PM
Hey, did you know that you can watch all Knots Landing episodes in order on Directv - Soap Net for $5.00 a month. That is five days worth of two years running three times a day. Well, worth the price. You don't have to infringe on copyright laws. If you've got the access it is worth it.

07-29-2000, 02:39 PM
At first I thought that you were just some jerk. Now, however, i know diferently. i hate to be rude but you are a complete moron!!! First of all, sure, i like the show, but that doesn't mean that I would want to give away my life savings for it. I still have to have money for things like food and clothing. Second, why did you go back over that stupid the first one is five dollars after that they're a dollar each garbage. Yes, most people, unlike you, are intelligent enough to unserstand it and think that it sucks. You're annoying me and everyone else because you're acting like the rights to Knots Landing are exclusively yours and that you have a right to overcharge. I DON'T CARE WHAT YOU SAY but $10 a tape is an outragous price. You can easily make a profit off of $5 or $6 dollars a tape and still feel good about yourself for getting people the tapes without ripping them off. Then, on top of it all, you're selling poor quality tapes( they are missing several minutes according to your first add). I'd say more but it would all be lost on someone like you. After all, you even said that you couldn't understand my last two replies. Why don't you look over them again? You can look up the "big words" in the dictionary.

07-29-2000, 02:49 PM
On second thought, i should not use abstaract terms with this easily confused person. I earlier stated that a person doesn't want to give away their life savings. Don't take that literally . You see in order for people to communicate more effectively, they occasionally use this hyperbole or excaggeration to make a point. i will now be more literal for you. For example, a woman with three kids might want these tapes but she might have other things she has to pay for too, like her children's medical bills, etc. It might have been easy for her to pay at $5 a tape but she might be unable to at $10. One more thing, you keep saying "think before you speak". Well, that's a little something called irony. You see, you are the one that doesn't make sence and isn't thinking before he speaks. I make perfect sence. You are just so unintelligent that you can't even come up with a reply.

07-29-2000, 02:57 PM
uhoh, I made a typo witht the word sense and accidentally spelled sence. I just wanted to make that clear to our little friend Shane100. He is bewildered by almost anything doesn't involve overcharging for crappy tapes. I'm sorry to sound this way but this jerk just asks for it.

Pamela Barnes
07-30-2000, 05:55 PM
Whats the problem? I think its up to the individual if they feel they want to pay for the video. Surely if people can get to a web page they will also have the initiative to make a decision about the tapes. I don`t think its fair to shoot the guy down, he is offering a service and if people feel its fair they will use it if not they won`t.

Seems like common sense to me.

07-31-2000, 09:09 AM
This is all so BORING. Can we talk about something else and ditch this topic. It really sucks.

07-31-2000, 03:51 PM
I suppose that you're right. This is getting old and it is up to the individual to buy the product. I just think that people need to stand up to people like Shane100 who find it acceptable to rip people off. If everyone stood up tp him like I did, he would be forced to lower his price.I already have those eps. so it is of no real personal concern to me. i am just thinking of those who need to buy these eps. from someone and can't find someone other than Shane100 who will sell them. That's all. I do think, however, that i will end this arguing here. I hope you all enjoyed the ride.

08-01-2000, 02:49 PM
Alright, the conversation is finally over. Pamela was right though, it's the persons own choice if they want to pay the price for the episodes. And no, I won't change my price just because Greg told me to. What a retard. Over and done.

08-01-2000, 03:42 PM
Shane100 is calling somebody else retarted. That's ironic too. Shane100 is obviously the one suffering from mental retardation. For one thing, he believes that blank VHS tape costs $3.00 . He doesn't know the cost of everyday things. That was the same problem that Dustin Houghman had in Rainman. And yes Shane100, I know that they probably didn't teach you this in your special education clases, but people, throughout time, have been known to speak out against unfair conditions in our society and actually make changes for the better. Throughout the past few decades, women and other minorities have protested for higher pay, more job oppurtunities, and other rights.A lot of the time, they have been successful with their protests.In addition, speaking out for what you believe sure beats doing nothing about it. Recently, smaller computer companies complained to the government about Bill Gates and Microsoft and the government decided to break up his monopoly. See Shane, people who are intelligent and have a moral conviction do speak out against injustices. You are right about one thing, however, my time was pretty much wasted on a mentally inferior person like you. I know that I said I wouldn't reply anymore but this is person is so stupid that I keep having to explain things to him.

08-01-2000, 03:46 PM
It is true that each individual has the right to decided whether he wants to pay a large sum of money for the tapes. Still, some people really need an episode, and are forced to pay a lot of money simply because they don't have another choice. And I'm talking 20$ a tape.

08-01-2000, 03:59 PM
one more thing.......no, I did not expect someone like you to lower their price. I did, however, discourage some people from buying your overpriced, crappy tapes. Instead they are coming to me to purchase mine.You see, I did hurt your little bootleg tape business. One more thing, I will be giving away the eps. that Shane100 mentioned earlier for the price of the materials alone( and not the time involved). That way, I will be totally ruining this person's business. It will cost only $2.00 dollars a tape for up to six. eps. plus shipping and handling costs. I will not lose any of my own money and I enjoy watching the tapes. I, therefore, will not be hurt in anyway....and Shane......if you can't understand this, go and ask the person who comes to tie your shoelaces for you.

Frankie
08-01-2000, 04:12 PM
Hi y'all,

I'm not exactly a regular poster on this forum, but I am an adminstrator on some of the other forums which linked below.

I've been following this post since it first started, and to be honest with you it's an ongoing post that has to be dealt with.

First of all, like Pamela said it is up to the individual what he/she wants to charge, and whether you want to buy these eps. If Shane wants to charge that much money, let him. It's no money out of your pocket. People have stated already that the price is high, so any buyer is aware of the price.

That's all fine and good, but the point is, this is now not about videos anymore. It's about the principle of the matter. You both have resorted to name calling and trying to "outsmart" the other.

I suggest that you two need to end this argument/discussion, pronto. There is no need for this topic to go on anymore. So I'm asking everyone to act like mature adults (meaning stop with the names) and come to a truce.

08-01-2000, 04:16 PM
I earlier said something that was very insensitive. I compared people in special education classes to Shane 100. This was very wrong and i am truly sorry for doing this. Many people who are in special ed, unlike Shane100, are intelligent people who just have temporary learning disorders, horrible study skills, behavior problems, or other personal problems that would affect their learning. They usually grow up to lead normal, successful lives. It was also unfair to compare Dustin Houghman's fictitous character to Shane100. The Rainman had much more common sense . It was horrible of me to suggest that any human being shared Shane100's stupidity. I hope you can find it in your hearts to forgive me.

Miss_Texas
08-01-2000, 04:30 PM
Hi...I think we all get the picture on this.

If anyone wants to purchase from Shane100, his email is posted so you can communicate to him. It is also wise to remember you don't know what quality your tape will be when you purchase from unknown people like Greg339 said. Most importantly I think Daniel Avery's comments should not be tossed in haste. As Pamela said, it puts you in a vunerable position.

Ok now this post is closed....