Should new Dallas have a gay characer ? [Archive]

Mike

10-01-2010, 09:29 PM

I'm thinking Lucas Wade, arriving in Dallas with his gay partner after being raised in Europe. That would certainly cause a stir amongst the cowboys at Southfork. It would certainly be interesting to see Bobby's reaction.
Or may'be Cliff & Afton's Pamela could be a butch lesbian, giving the ranchhands a run for their money at the Ewing rodeo.
May'be the wedding in the pilot could be Bobby's civil partnership with Jeremy Wendell, and it turns out Bobby's only marring him for his money.
There's definately an opportunity there to introduce Dallas first gay couple, or is it still illegal in Texas and the punishment is execution !

Mickey Fairgate

10-01-2010, 09:47 PM

It's no longer illegal to be gay in Texas, so a gay couple, gay character looking for a partner, lesbian couple, or lesbian looking for partner would be acceptable.....

I would love to see either Lucas being gay, and being totally open about it, or John Ross and Christopher having a very secret relationship, with John Ross dominating the passive Christopher at every turn!!!! :D

James from London

10-01-2010, 09:59 PM

Gay is boring. I want conjoined twins.

SnarkyOracle!

10-01-2010, 10:02 PM

Gay is boring. I want conjoined twins.Ideally, incestuous ones.

Garrison

10-01-2010, 11:36 PM

if it fits the plot, not just to have the token gay like dynasty or something.

jej2252

10-01-2010, 11:40 PM

It would be about time!!!!

Garrison

10-01-2010, 11:48 PM

There are so many gay characters on TV these days and not just in the ultra-chaste Will and Grace sense. It's almost cliche at this point. I personally don't care if they do or don't, just as long as they don't act like it's somehow groundbreaking or shocking.

What I would like to see are minorities. The original Dallas is one of the whitest TV shows ever made.

Pamela Barnes

10-02-2010, 10:30 AM

How about Lucy's lustful lesbien lover. Lucy has spent the last 20 years running a bar in Lesbos with her Greek lover Sabrina. John Ross is instantly smitten with the woman and ends up bedding her in exchange for a place on American Idol.

Although I do like the idea of conjoined twins, the first season finale is an operation to seperate them. Who lives, who dies. Find out in season 2. The operation is performed by Bobby's new wife. Sadly it goes wrong and she ends up fused to the twins making co-joined triplets.

The focus of the story is Bobby's dilema

madondallas

10-02-2010, 10:34 AM

Dallas t.v. She.R.Ewing

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Pam's Twin Sister

10-02-2010, 05:38 PM

Conjoined twins is boring. There should be someone with a alien-ish fetus in his/her neck, like the nurse in South Park.

Now seriously, if the show were successful a gay character would be great if brought something to the plot. The show Kings had a couple of them and they used every available cliche. At the end, the gay character married a woman...Dienasty redux.

Pam's Twin Sister

10-02-2010, 05:50 PM

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Introducing DRUSCILLA DUBOIS as NURSE NIPTUCK

MrsSuperman93

10-02-2010, 07:33 PM

It would be interesting to see JR's reaction if John Ross was gay lol Or Bobby's if Lucas was gay which would be interesting because it may make it harder for them to bond as father and son :o

Bobby'sgirl

10-04-2010, 09:23 PM

Mike

10-04-2010, 09:25 PM

Don't really see any of that happening on the new show. Especially Bobby and Wendell - EWWWW!

Erm,that was a joke !

Btw I'm curious to know why you wont watch new Dallas if there's any gay characters in the show ???

TJames03

10-05-2010, 01:46 AM

TPTB would be too cowardly to make any main characters gay.

anndra_w

10-05-2010, 02:02 AM

I think I'd be more interested to see the new villain, if it's say John Ross, being bi-sexual and just capable of using anyone to get what he wants. Dunno if that would ever happen but it could be interesting.

Bobby'sgirl

10-05-2010, 08:46 PM

Erm,that was a joke !

Btw I'm curious to know why you wont watch new Dallas if there's any gay characters in the show ???

I don't see the need to just throw in gay characters in order to be politically correct.

Mike

10-05-2010, 09:37 PM

I don't see the need to just throw in gay characters in order to be politically correct.

So you wouldnt watch it if it had a gay character for that reason ?

Mickey Fairgate

10-05-2010, 10:05 PM

Dallas needs a gay character, either Lucas, Christopher, Kit Mainwaring, or bring back Peter Richards, or introduce a whole new character, :D

Bobby'sgirl

10-05-2010, 10:36 PM

So you wouldnt watch it if it had a gay character for that reason ?

No, probably not.

James from London

10-05-2010, 11:37 PM

Dallas needs a gay character

Why? What's so great about gay characters?

SnarkyOracle!

10-06-2010, 02:36 PM

Why? What's so great about gay characters?Nothing, if they're handled like most TV gays usually are.

That said, Sue Ellen and Marilee seem like some pretty serious dyke action.

Dallas doesnt need any tinkerbell. Dallas is about real men and power. Jock would agree with me. ;)You'd be amazed at how many powerful, real men like their bells tinkled.

Jock would agree with me.

Mike

10-06-2010, 09:38 PM

No, probably not.

How strange !

CarlD

10-07-2010, 03:19 AM

If Larry Hagman has anything to say about this possible new show, there will be no gay characters.

He booted Dack Rambo off the show because he was gay (according to many on here).

If they were to have one, I'd say John Ross or Christopher. They could hang out with Tony Romo !!! ;)

Bobby'sgirl

10-07-2010, 04:10 PM

How strange !

Not really, why would I bother watching something that I don't find entertaining? If that's the show you want to watch, that's fine for you. To each their own.

Mike

10-07-2010, 08:31 PM

Not really, why would I bother watching something that I don't find entertaining? If that's the show you want to watch, that's fine for you. To each their own.

But it's almost like saying you wouldnt watch it if they had a token black, asian or disabled character !

Bobby'sgirl

10-08-2010, 01:31 AM

But it's almost like saying you wouldnt watch it if they had a token black, asian or disabled character !

Please don't put words in my mouth. That's not what I'm saying at all. If the characters on a show are well written and appeal to me, I watch the show. If they're not, I don't.

James from London

10-08-2010, 09:45 AM

But it's almost like saying you wouldnt watch it if they had a token black, asian or disabled character !

Well token characters of any of those descriptions would be certainly be a reason for me not to watch.

You know, maybe, just maybe, there are some people who just don't find homosexuality that fascinating.

BlackPython

10-08-2010, 12:44 PM

I hope they will have one of those mentioned characters above.

Well, the show will have one viewer less, but that's not important.

MrsSuperman93

10-08-2010, 06:34 PM

I dont think the new Dallas NEEDS a gay character but it would bring some serious controversy!

Mike

10-08-2010, 08:05 PM

I hope they will have one of those mentioned characters above.
Well, the show will have one viewer less, but that's not important.

Yes, very true I guess :)

RAYkrebbsEWING

10-08-2010, 11:52 PM

SnarkyOracle!

10-09-2010, 12:07 AM

Larry did the right thing and I dont care what anyone says. Gays have no part of a show like Dallas. Dallas was about ruthless womanizing men, and a few drunks thrown in from time to time. No sissys allowed man or woman.
"Sissys"?? Some of the most macho men are far from 100% straight.

You seem a little defensive, RAYkrebbsEWING. And I notice you've posted on a lot of gay threads in the past.

I guess you appear a little too interested.

Luke

10-09-2010, 01:34 AM

Not that I support where your going RAYkrebbsEwingidiot but...

J.R was often written as somewhat of a 'sissy', and that is beyond his silly sissy scarfs

SnarkyOracle!

10-09-2010, 01:38 AM

Not that I support where your going RAYkrebbsEwingidiot but...

J.R was often written as somewhat of a 'sissy', and that is beyond his silly sissy scarfsOh, for sure.

J.R.=closet homo

Garrison

10-09-2010, 01:43 AM

J.R. and Cliff were ex-lovers. It all makes sense

RAYkrebbsEWING

10-09-2010, 02:11 AM

anndra_w

10-09-2010, 02:12 AM

Larry did the right thing and I dont care what anyone says. Gays have no part of a show like Dallas. Dallas was about ruthless womanizing men, and a few drunks thrown in from time to time. No sissys allowed man or woman.

I'll laugh when day you call the wrong gay person a cissy and they prove the stupidity of your comment. Fool!

J. R.'s Piece

10-09-2010, 10:23 AM

Dallas was about ruthless womanizing men

Are you sure? :confused:I don't remember this Ruth Less womanizing the men. She sounds like fun!

Well, the show will have one viewer less, but that's not important.
...if it doesn't reflect a trend

James from London

10-09-2010, 10:54 AM

I dont think the new Dallas NEEDS a gay character but it would bring some serious controversy!

Only if they're shown having sex on a desk.

SnarkyOracle!

10-09-2010, 12:28 PM

Well of course I am defensive. Dallas was a fantastic show and many would like it to remain that way. You so called moderators are a disgrace compared to when I and others moderated the old forums and #Ewing oil chatroom. I will be sure to let Christina know it and be on my way.

Several years ago, the labs at M.I.T. proved that most American male fans of DALLAS were closeted homosexuals, often married or with girlfriends, and consumed by rightwing conservative politics to cover up their love which dare not speak its name.

I thought this study was ridiculous when I first heard about it, but after looking into it, I've learned it's based on valid data.

James from London

10-09-2010, 01:05 PM

You so called moderators are a disgrace compared to when I and others moderated the old forums and #Ewing oil chatroom.

That's interesting. How did your approach to moderation differ?

Mike

10-09-2010, 01:55 PM

CarlD

10-09-2010, 02:16 PM

Not really, why would I bother watching something that I don't find entertaining? If that's the show you want to watch, that's fine for you. To each their own.

In my opinion, if someone is not going to watch a new DALLAS just because one of many characters is gay/bi, they are not that big fans of the show to begin with.

Mike

10-09-2010, 03:07 PM

In my opinion, if someone is not going to watch a new DALLAS just because one of many characters is gay/bi, they are not that big fans of the show to begin with.

I agree with what your saying, but you almost contradict yourself because you voted No in the poll !

CarlD

10-09-2010, 03:20 PM

I agree with what your saying, but you almost contradict yourself because you voted No in the poll !

I also see what you are saying. :)

I have no problem with it, if that's what they choose to do, but I voted no because if they want to keep it like the original "Dallas", then they won't have a main character who is gay.

I'd like to see this new show be as much like the "glory days" of the original show, as possible.

Mike

10-09-2010, 03:36 PM

I voted no because if they want to keep it like the original "Dallas", then they won't have a main character who is gay. I'd like to see this new show be as much like the "glory days" of the original show, as possible.

Thats just not possible, time has moved on and Dallas has to move on too. It's now the 21st century, the new Dallas has to refect that and not be stuck in the past !

Garrison

10-09-2010, 03:46 PM

Are gay characters even controversial anymore? Every other day there's an article on The Guardian's website about how lesbians are totally in on TV.

Mike

10-09-2010, 03:57 PM

Are gay characters even controversial anymore?

Gay characters in soaps are not there to be controversial anymore, they're a normal part of the fabric of our society in the 21st century.

James from London

10-09-2010, 03:58 PM

What's so '21st century' about homosexuality?

Mike

10-09-2010, 04:00 PM

What's so '21st century' about homosexuality?

It's more acceptable now than it's ever been. We can even get married and adopt kids now, didnt you know !

Garrison

10-09-2010, 04:06 PM

not every facet of society is full of openly gay people

part of being the fabric of society is no longer getting all ANGAR when somebody makes a creative choice not to include you.

James from London

10-09-2010, 04:11 PM

It's more acceptable now than it's ever been. We can even get married and adopt kids now

So what? Where's the drama in any of that?

Mike

10-09-2010, 04:15 PM

not every facet of society is full of openly gay people
part of being the fabric of society is no longer getting all ANGAR when somebody makes a creative choice not to include you.

Absolutely agree !

Mike

10-09-2010, 04:17 PM

So what? Where's the drama in any of that?

Ive been married for a year, there's been more drama in that one year then there has been in 50 years of Corrie :D

James from London

10-09-2010, 04:29 PM

So you want the new DALLAS series to be about ... you?

SnarkyOracle!

10-09-2010, 04:35 PM

I think Sue Ellen and Marilee are an obvious couple.

On the other hand, I think it should come out in the new series that Donna paid Sue Ellen -- then Aunt Lil --- to arrange Mickey's death because Donna learned Ray was sodomizing Mickey in the stud barn. While Donna's fur coat was in the cleaners and therefore couldn't handle the situation herself.

Every show needs a good secret murder as a backstory. Especially a gay one, 'cause that's, like, really murder-y!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LikzyndVj-g/R_Tf4CWkd7I/AAAAAAAAPOc/SY2_hH-wwl8/s400/z.jpg

Garrison

10-09-2010, 04:43 PM

Marky should write the series annual bible

SnarkyOracle!

10-09-2010, 04:43 PM

Thank you.

Mickey Fairgate

10-09-2010, 04:45 PM

They should get David Archuleta to play Christopher's gay friend, :D!!!!!

SnarkyOracle!

10-09-2010, 04:47 PM

They should get David Archuleta to play Christopher's gay friend, :D!!!!!Don't you know there aren't any gay Mormons?

You can have 30 wives, however.

Mickey Fairgate

10-09-2010, 04:54 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, it would be better to have 30 boyfriends, :D...........I hope they do something to modernize Dallas, and not leave it completely stuck in the realm of yesteryear, :p

Mike

10-09-2010, 05:18 PM

So you want the new DALLAS series to be about ... you?

Absolutely !

Garrison

10-09-2010, 05:30 PM

I imagine Mickey as Cam from Modern Family.

http://www.1051jackfm.com/Portals/3/truta/300-eric-stonestreet.jpg

CarlD

10-10-2010, 03:51 PM

Thats just not possible, time has moved on and Dallas has to move on too. It's now the 21st century, the new Dallas has to refect that and not be stuck in the past !

So, from your argument, EVERY tv show in 2010 should have a gay character because it's slightly more accepted by the general population ???

anndra_w

10-11-2010, 12:43 AM

So, from your argument, EVERY tv show in 2010 should have a gay character because it's slightly more accepted by the general population ???

I dunno if every tv show should have a gay character but 2010 is very different from 1978. Like my parents don't have any gay friends or openly gay friends. However with my generation there seems to be so many more gay people who are living their lives openly. Also I don't think it's much of an issue anymore to most people. So Dallas and tv shows in general could much easily be expected to have a gay character purely to reflect reality. However personally I think with a show like Dallas it needs to come down to the story. It would take real guts to make the new villain a gay character because of the one hand you'd piss off the anti-gay viewers and equally you'd have the gay rights fundamentalists getting pissed because your daring to show a gay person in a negative light.

In 90210 they started making one of the characters come as being gay and for this I think it's important to have gay characters. Young gay viewers should have characters to relate to and if tv shows show young people gay as being normal then it'll lead to wider acceptance. I don't think a gay character on Dallas is as important as on ahow like 90210.

Seaviewer

10-11-2010, 05:30 AM

Basically my reaction is "Yeah, sure, why not?" but the only one of the suggested scenarios I see working is Lucas because he's essentially a blank slate. Probably better to introduce a new character.

Mrs. JR Ewing

10-11-2010, 11:23 AM

I would think that the producer would want to reflect modern society just like they did in the 80's so why wouldn't you have individuals who were gay, women who actually have power and money AND use it, and more ethnicity on this new show. IMO it is the only way it will appeal to a mass market AND is what is going to assure it's survival.

MrsSuperman93

10-11-2010, 05:55 PM

I think we need to realise that this new Dallas won't be exactly the same as the original because times do change and in order for this new show to appeal to a younger audience, it will also need to move with the times. That said, it's understandable original Dallas viewers dont watch because it's not the 'old Dallas we knew and loved' lol

James from London

10-11-2010, 06:28 PM

"Yeah, sure, why not?"

it is the only way it will appeal to a mass market

in order for this new show to appeal to a younger audience, it will also need to move with the times.

None of these are good dramatic reasons. They're about appeasing an audience demographic, not telling the most compelling story possible. In other words, putting marketing ahead of creativity. As I've said before, I'd sooner see something great that gets cancelled after two episodes than something bland that gets cancelled after four.

SnarkyOracle!

10-11-2010, 07:00 PM

Although a Romeo-and-Romeo romance between Ewing and Barnes is a nice idea, structurally:

J.R.: (with John Ross behind his back) "No...uh uh... you ain't touchin' my boy... Now you just go on back to that cesspool o' lowlife Barnses where you belong!"

John Ross: "Daddy!!"

Cliff: "Well, like it or not, JR. Your son is queer as a three dollar bill, and he's just married mine in New Hampshire yesterday!"

J.R.: "That ain't legal!"

Cliff: "The hell it's not -- I've got the marriage license right here, and that means my son owns 50% of John Ross' share of Ewing Oil!"

J.R.: "The hell it does, Barnes -- I'll see my Daddy's company driven into the ground before a Barnes puts a hand on it! Let alone some fairy Barnes, just like his daddy and just like his granddaddy..!"

Cliff: "Now you shut up!!"

John Ross: (sobbing whinily) "But Daddy, Chet Barnes is my husband now!"

Cliff: (tauntingly) "That's right, J.R., your boy and my boy are in love!!.. Ha Haaah!"

J.R.: "You get the hell off Southfork, Cliff, and take that pipsqueak little nelly moocher of a son with you!"

John Ross: "But Daaaaddy ...!"

J.R.: "Go on-- get back on inside the house, boy...! And don't be watching any reruns of that goddamn DYNASTY-- that's probably where you picked this mess up at anyway"

Cliff: (still grinning) "I'm comin' back, J.R. and bringing GLAAD and GLSEN with me...!"

J.R.: "You do that, Barnes, and I'll have yer butts tossed in the Braddock jail! ...Then again, that little pansy kid of yers would probably like that, wouldn't he..!?!"

Cliff: (suddenly enraged, lunging at JR) "Why you lousy son of a -----!"

Everyone winds up in the pool. Ideally, fully clothed.

http://www.dallasforever.com/jr%20contro%20cliff.jpg

Garrison

10-11-2010, 07:11 PM

Dallas didn't reflect reality in the 80's. That's the most absurd thing I've ever seen.

eaejr

10-11-2010, 10:41 PM

On the other hand, I think it should come out in the new series that Donna paid Sue Ellen -- then Aunt Lil --- to arrange Mickey's death because Donna learned Ray was sodomizing Mickey in the stud barn.

Every show needs a good secret murder as a backstory. Especially a gay one, 'cause that's, like, really murder-y!

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LikzyndVj-g/R_Tf4CWkd7I/AAAAAAAAPOc/SY2_hH-wwl8/s400/z.jpg

LOL...your lustful infatuation with the late Timothy Patrick Murphy is showing here.

I do agree with you though about a "backstory secret murder" storyline. Of course this (Hutch McKinny murder mystery) was done in the original series.

Marky should write the series annual bible

This could work if only Marky can put aside (or at least limit) incorporating his personal fantasies into the storylines.

As for my two cents on the subjects,I'm with others who would rather not see a token (and dull) gay character. I voted for "not sure if DALLAS is ready for that" forgetting that the show actually dealt with a gay character/storyline (Kit/Lucy engagement) in the first season. So I should have voted for "other" as a maybe/depends.

A murder mystery involving a gay character who was blackmailing or extorting money from several of the major characters might work if written and developed well enough. I would want the gay character to have a personal and/or business relationship with many of the major characters. It could be a nice variation of the "Who Shot J.R.?" cliffhanger/mystery.

SnarkyOracle!

10-12-2010, 03:23 AM

Maybe Kit Mainwaring went "straight" a few years ago, convinced Lucy and himself that he was just confused ("like that Steven Carrington guy on that old TV show") and then he and Lucy marry.

But turns out Kit's old oil drilling days aren't as over as he thought, and now has to keep his man-squeezes on the down low lest Lucy find out and begins to squeal.

Mickey Fairgate

10-12-2010, 03:34 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, another interesting scenario: Bobby, after all of these years mourning Pam and April, decides to try the love that dare not speak its name....now Bobby and Kit have gone to Iowa and gotten married, and Christopher and the rest have to deal with it, and Kit calls Bobby "Daddy" and Chris really gets rankled at this, so Chris gets deranged and decides to do away with Kit!!!!! :D, :p

Garrison

10-12-2010, 03:49 AM

the show should promote pansexualism. have John Ross bang men, women and horses.

Mike

10-12-2010, 10:30 AM

So, from your argument, EVERY tv show in 2010 should have a gay character because it's slightly more accepted by the general population ???

Dont remember saying that ! And it's generally more accepted, not just slightly :)

MrsSuperman93

10-12-2010, 07:28 PM

None of these are good dramatic reasons. They're about appeasing an audience demographic, not telling the most compelling story possible. In other words, putting marketing ahead of creativity. As I've said before, I'd sooner see something great that gets cancelled after two episodes than something bland that gets cancelled after four.

Who said we needed dramatic reasons!? :rolleyes: I think every show needs to think of it's audience when considering a storyline, if they don't find the show or storyline believeable or realistic then they wont watch and the show will be pointless!

James from London

10-12-2010, 08:21 PM

[B]Who said we needed dramatic reasons!?

Because it's a drama.

:rolleyes:

Am I boring you?

I think every show needs to think of it's audience when considering a storyline

How better than by giving them the best drama possible?

if they don't find the show or storyline believeable or realistic then they wont watch and the show will be pointless!

Believability and drama are not mutually exclusive.

Including a gay character does not automatically make a show believable or realistic. DYNASTY had a gay character and was completely unbelievable; FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS has no gay characters and feels hugey believable.

Does a drama need to be realistic in order to be successful? That's debatable. Was the original DALLAS realistic? Also debatable.

MrsSuperman93

10-13-2010, 07:46 PM

No you're not boring me at all! I could never find this forum boring :eek: I'm a chatterbox :mrG Maybe a gay character isn't necessary but it would certainly be good to watch providing the storyline and script was written well and realistically. Sometimes, I dont think Dallas was realistic and I personally think that kind of lost the show for me because I like to watch realistic storylines, for example when Sue Ellen had that small glass of Champagne when she was with Clint. No recovering alcoholic could do that, especially not with her emotional state of mind at the time!

Mickey Fairgate

10-13-2010, 08:47 PM

Put Sue Ellen and Mandy together!!!! They could run Valentine Lingerie together!!! :p

MrsSuperman93

10-14-2010, 06:19 PM

And model for each other before deciding whether the piece of lingerie is sexy enough for their company (6) lol

Seaviewer

10-15-2010, 12:35 PM

None of these are good dramatic reasons. They're about appeasing an audience demographic, not telling the most compelling story possible. In other words, putting marketing ahead of creativity. As I've said before, I'd sooner see something great that gets cancelled after two episodes than something bland that gets cancelled after four.My point was that it didn't really matter - dramatically - whether there was a gay character or not. Times have changed and a gay character would not be isolated like Kit was. But if a segment of the audience is more likely to tune in because they see someone they can identify with, then go for it. Of course, they'd have to weigh up the possibility that it might turn off more viewers than it turns on (so to speak).

James from London

10-15-2010, 09:42 PM

My point was that it didn't really matter - dramatically - whether there was a gay character or not.

I think it would ... if it was A Gay Character, i.e. a character defined by their sexuality, which the creator of this thread seems to want. If the most interesting thing about a person, be they real or fictional, is that they're gay then they're not very interesting at all. 'Gay' in and of itself just isn't that fascinating. Unless you're watching gay porn. And probably not even then.

MargaretKrebbs

10-15-2010, 10:20 PM

I am actually shocked that no one voted for "Pam could come back with a lesbian lover." Who wouldn't want to watch THAT?

MrsSuperman93

10-16-2010, 07:57 PM

I am actually shocked that no one voted for "Pam could come back with a lesbian lover." Who wouldn't want to watch THAT?

It would certainly be interesting lol

anndra_w

10-16-2010, 11:26 PM

I think it would ... if it was A Gay Character, i.e. a character defined by their sexuality, which the creator of this thread seems to want. If the most interesting thing about a person, be they real or fictional, is that they're gay then they're not very interesting at all. 'Gay' in and of itself just isn't that fascinating. Unless you're watching gay porn. And probably not even then.

This is true. I make a point of not associating with gay people that define themselves by their sexuality in the real world so I don't want to see it tv either. If they have an interesting character who happens to be gay or bi that's cool. Like I said I thought a bi villain could interesting but they won't have the balls to do that.

CowgirlJass

10-18-2010, 04:44 AM

Being a homosexual isn't that much of an issue like it used to be in the past, unless it involved a character trying to adopt a baby or had political implications, like maybe having a gay character in politics fighting for gay rights...they could always bring Cliff back and have him come out of the closet...

Seaviewer

10-18-2010, 05:00 AM

Mike

10-18-2010, 07:41 PM

I'm certainly not saying that every new tv drama should have gay characters, just because ! There are a few reasons why I think it would be interesting in Dallas. Dallas is a very male oriented drama/soap, it'd be interesting to see the reaction of the ranch hand cowboys at Southfork to, say Lucas, turning up to live there with his gay European partner. Texas is a very macho state (so I hear) so throwing an interesting gay character into the mix would create some drama. Also it would interesting to see Bobby's reaction to his gay son, and not forgetting nasty Ole uncle JR's. And I certainly dont mean a Stephen Carrington is he/isnt he type character either, it'd have to be someone who lnows exactly who and what he is, and be comfortable and confident with it, someone who can hold his own (for want of a better description) in the boardroom, on the ranch, and of course in true traditional Dallas style, swing a mean punch in a bar room :)

SnarkyOracle!

10-18-2010, 08:43 PM

Isn't J.R.'s in Dallas a gay bar?

http://www.yelp.com/biz/jrs-bar-and-grill-dallas-dallas

James from London

10-18-2010, 08:43 PM

Oh God, not a 'well adjusted' gay character--they're the worst.

SnarkyOracle!

10-18-2010, 08:46 PM

As a rule, homo-cidal is more fun.

Mike

10-19-2010, 08:27 AM

Sorry guys, angst & aids belong in the 80's & 90's, well adjusted, well balanced & well fit is the new way :D

James from London

10-19-2010, 09:29 AM

So everyone else gets to be as f*cked up and dysfunctional as can be while the gay homosexual remains "well adjusted" and "well balanced" - simply because he's a gay homosexual. How very MELROSE PLACE.

And as that show proved, "well balanced" equals "undramatic" equals lack of screen time. This reminds me of the Swoonalicious fans who just want Sue Ellen and JR to be happily married, completely overlooking the fact that whenever Sue Ellen and JR are happy, "their girl" is lucky to appear in more than one or two scenes per episode.

Luke

10-19-2010, 11:41 AM

Donna was not gay but was well ajusted for the most part and got plenty of screen time during the first three quarters of her time on the show. Miss_Ellie and really Bobby too overall.

This thread is an odd. Not sure who cares if a character is written gay or not, I just hope they are written well.
Regardless of what happened through the seasons, the pilot 6 of Dallas had 6 pretty well written and defined characters in Ellie, Jock, Pam, Bobby, Ray and Lucy. I would also add Digger. The seeds for decent characters were also written for Sue Ellen, Julie and Cliff. The first 6 were all set forth with clear goals, motives and a reason to exist within the drama.

TV shows today don't always do this. They throw in everything, including gay characters simply to check a mark and cover every basis they can think of to get the biggest audience. Of course what television still seems to miss all the time is that the characters are secondary to the writing. CBS had a decade of decent writing with an old lady solving mysteries on Murder She Wrote. I felt the show was boring as sin but obviously it hit on something.

This show needs to try to tap into something but I am not sure it is possible. The producers and writers of Dallas often talk on shows about how they tapped into what was going on politically during the Regan years. The problem is that was simply a fluke. The pilot of Dallas was just interesting tv and the show only happened to tap into whatever it did in the early 80' almost because of it trying to match Dynasty.

SnarkyOracle!

10-19-2010, 01:04 PM

(...)TV shows today don't always do this. They throw in everything, including gay characters simply to check a mark and cover every basis they can think of to get the biggest audience. (...)Yes, the "development process" during which they attempt to homogenize --- even homogenized diversity --- into bland slop.

As the saying goes, if try to please everybody then you wind up pleasing nobody.

This show needs to try to tap into something but I am not sure it is possible. The producers and writers of Dallas often talk on shows about how they tapped into what was going on politically during the Regan years. The problem is that was simply a fluke. The pilot of Dallas was just interesting tv and the show only happened to tap into whatever it did in the early 80' almost because of it trying to match Dynasty.Whatever the peripheral premise, shows like this can only work (and rarely do) if they can create a real, palpable sense of family. And that's achieved not only thru good writing, but thru really good casting with a three-dimensional sense of interplay between the actors.

That's what the audience responds to: the sense of authenticity within the family. Which is exactly what the development process --- with all it's P.C. insistence and demographic myth adherence and the brass wanting the last bimbo/himbo sodomized cast in this-or-that role --- which eliminates the chance for such authenticity before it ever happens.

Mike

10-19-2010, 03:51 PM

Having every single character f**ked up and dysfunctional will get very boring very quickly, there needs to be a balance, surely !

MrsSuperman93

10-19-2010, 05:37 PM

This reminds me of the Swoonalicious fans who just want Sue Ellen and JR to be happily married, completely overlooking the fact that whenever Sue Ellen and JR are happy, "their girl" is lucky to appear in more than one or two scenes per episode.

You have a good point! As much as I would LOVE to see JR and Sue Ellen happy it's probably only because it barely ever happened. Being dysfunctional was what made them JR and Sue Ellen Ewing and interesting to watch!

Jimmy Carrington-Colby

10-19-2010, 07:58 PM

Whoever said "I wouldn't watch if there was a gay character" please realise it's about time Texas dragged itself into the 21st century with the rest of the western world!

As others have commented if you wanted to milk gay drama out of the show then the obvious character to be gay is John Ross, for all the arguments that would cause with his Dad, I could imagine JR being less worried that his son liked ****, as long as it was strictly confined to extra marital affairs and he still had a wife and kids to keep up appearances.

Really though if you make him gay and he's in the oil business you either have to have all the old oil men in Texas completely Okey-Dokey with an out gay man to do deals with, which is probably unrealistic, or you haave to constantly keep addressing it and then the show gets bogged down with constant gay issues storylines...

CarlD

10-22-2010, 02:48 AM

And it's generally more accepted, not just slightly :)

You're probably right, which might be the reason for the dramatic DECREASE in discrimintation and violence against gays and lesbians. That's good. :)

Mike

10-23-2010, 04:10 PM

You're probably right, which might be the reason for the dramatic DECREASE in discrimintation and violence against gays and lesbians. That's good. :)

Homophobic hate crimes still happen, only last year a gay teenager in Liverpool UK was killed after a vicious beating, and in nearby leeds UK just a few months ago, a barman from one of the bars was viciously attaked.
Guess that could be a plotline in new Dallas if Lucas came back and was gay, the show could highlight victims of homophobia !

CarlD

10-29-2010, 06:03 PM

Homophobic hate crimes still happen, only last year a gay teenager in Liverpool UK was killed after a vicious beating, and in nearby leeds UK just a few months ago, a barman from one of the bars was viciously attaked.
Guess that could be a plotline in new Dallas if Lucas came back and was gay, the show could highlight victims of homophobia !

Never said they no longer happen, just stated how the statistics say they're down.

Four Mexican men beat the hell out of two gay men only last week in Dallas.

Stories like this are really sad and what really makes me sick is the mexicans that did the beatings are all in this country illegally.

I'm sure they were coming home from a job that used to belong to a law abiding citizen. :rolleyes:

James from London

10-29-2010, 07:43 PM

the show could highlight victims of homophobia !

Oh. My. God.

what really makes me sick is the mexicans that did the beatings are all in this country illegally.

Me too. If only it had been a gay illegal immigrant Mexican beaten up by a law abiding citizen!

Seaviewer

11-01-2010, 03:41 AM

the show could highlight victims of homophobia !

Oh. My. God.

I'm inclined to agree with James on the use of the word 'highlight' but I don't see why a gay character being the victim of a hate crime is any less appropriate a plot than heterosexual rape - or indeed having one's babies stolen.

Mel O'Drama

11-01-2010, 09:59 AM

I'm all for seeing a gay or lesbian character on new Dallas - or someone who ticks the "B" or "T" box, come to that.

What I wouldn't want to see is a character who is placed there to address "gay issues". As someone has said, all the characters on this show need to be well written first and foremost. I shudder when I think of Matt on Melrose Place, who was there simply to be a sidekick to other characters. Whenever he got screen time, it invariably stemmed from his sexuality - he was forever fretting because his lover was in the closet/had AIDS. Or he was unfairly dismissed from work by his homophobic boss, or beaten up by homophobes. I don't believe these are the sort of issues that most gay people face day in day out anyway. None of it made him interesting to watch, because he was never allowed to do any of the things the other characters were doing. Sleeping around, cheating, lying, trying to kill his neighbours, etc. He was rarely allowed to be anything but "gay" and "nice".

Having a gay character wouldn't be groundbreaking - even for Dallas. Having a character who is woven into the fabric of the show, behaving like a soap opera character should, who just happens to be gay just might be.

riverdave6

11-01-2010, 07:08 PM

I voted yes. I think there should be one or more gay characters. As a matter of fact, there should be gay characters on every tv show, soap opera and sitcom, as well as on movies. There must be gay characters on all movies in order to exist on them. There are only gay characters on gay movies. There are only gay characters in few movies, although I can't think of any right now.

SnarkyOracle!

11-01-2010, 07:11 PM

What I wouldn't want to see is a character who is placed there to address "gay issues".Essentially, yes, that's it.

david1987

11-01-2010, 08:22 PM

No. I'm sick of them putting gay characters into every show around.

James from London

11-01-2010, 08:50 PM

SnarkyOracle!

11-01-2010, 09:05 PM

No. I'm sick of them putting gay characters into every show around.But they're not sick of you....!

Seaviewer

11-03-2010, 03:52 AM

Trouble is, on a show like DALLAS, if you have a central character who "just happens" to be gay, you also have a character who "just happens" to be unlikely to sire the next Ewing heir or to sleep with someone the rest of the show might also sleep with. So unless you alter the concept of the entire show to accommodate said character, said character is going to be defined and therefore limited by their sexuality. So why bother?I think the point is simply that there are gay people in real life and there's no reason they shouldn't be represented in fiction as well. I think you exaggerate when you speak of altering the concept of the entire show but naturally the storylines will be affected by the distinguishing aspects of the characters. Sadly, you're probably right about about the character being defined by their sexuality but that happens in real life, too.

James from London

11-03-2010, 06:01 AM

there are gay people in real life and there's no reason they shouldn't be represented in fiction as well.

There are fat and ugly people in real life too. If they were cast as the Ewings, then that would really be something to get excited about.

CarlD

11-09-2010, 11:20 PM

No. I'm sick of them putting gay characters into every show around.

Actually the majority of tv shows in 2010, have no gay/bi sexual characters, and never even mention the topic.

Seaviewer

11-10-2010, 03:20 AM

There are fat and ugly people in real life too. If they were cast as the Ewings, then that would really be something to get excited about.You've probably raised a few eyebrows with that comparison but, again, stories relating to body issues - potentially involving eating disorders or medically unnecessary cosmetic surgery - would be no less valid than those we've already seen about alcoholism and drug addiction.

SnarkyOracle!

11-10-2010, 11:23 AM

What if all the Ewings had fallen out of the closet for the twenty-first century?

Pam and Bobby are back together, but she's had a medically necessary sex change due to her accident, and Bobby's happier about it than she's comfortable with.

And Sue Ellen doesn't need one.

Cliff Barnes

11-27-2010, 04:40 PM

Well we had Kit Mainwaring on the original show-it might be interesting to do an extended storyline with a character like that, a closeted businessman or something, ripe for blackmail.

Mike

12-19-2010, 08:51 PM

Well we had Kit Mainwaring on the original show-it might be interesting to do an extended storyline with a character like that, a closeted businessman or something, ripe for blackmail.

Nah, thats boring & old hat. It needs to be someone who's out & proud and fighting against the ignorance & predujice of the uneducated !

Karin Schill

12-20-2010, 01:37 AM

If it makes sense with the storyline like Kit did in the late 1970s then yes, but not for the sake of being politically correct. Also I agree with Mike, if they will go down that road they need to treat it with respect and make a believable relationship.

SnarkyOracle!

12-20-2010, 03:31 AM

JR should be sodomized on-screen by Carter McKay. It's the only thing which makes any sense.

Mel O'Drama

12-20-2010, 11:33 AM

JR should be sodomized on-screen by Carter McKay. It's the only thing which makes any sense.

To quote Jack from Will & Grace:

"It's two men, yet I'm strangely unaroused." :confused:

Charro

12-23-2010, 12:41 PM

Yep, I agree to Mike's last post. It needs to fight against the uneducated if it's going to be a story which highlights sexuality. However, I think the best thing is to have gay characters without making any reference whatsoever to it. Lucas being gay is a good one. Maybe they should have him returning to Dallas with his husband who is a big deal businessman who gives John Ross a run for his money.

SnarkyOracle!

12-23-2010, 12:52 PM

The entire premise of the new DALLAS should be John Ross' and Christopher's romantic triangle with Cliff's son.... Little Digger.

Charro

12-23-2010, 04:14 PM

The entire premise of the new DALLAS should be John Ross' and Christopher's romantic triangle with Cliff's son.... Little Digger.

I like that idea :)

stavrogin

12-25-2010, 03:41 PM

John Ross would be good- or Lucas. Actually, I forgot that Lucas even existed until I saw this and it reminded me. The only problem is that Dynasty monopolized the issue among the soaps and you don't want to retread any ground so if there is one, there should not be any problems with it- just treat it as-is. Pamela as a lesbian might be interesting.