Bush's proposed tax rebate

[Mrs.JockEwing]

Your thoughts?

I think the one's who need it the most won't get it. Single filers.

[jen.n]

Why would they single out the single filers????????? :confused:

are you just paranoid?

and why would single filers "need it most"? :confused:

[Mrs.JockEwing]

I have yet to benefit from Bush's tax cuts. I don't make enough and I am a single filer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080118/ap_on_bi_ge/stimulus_impact_analysis

[Mayor Gregory]

if you want more money, earn more money. kaa-ching.
... Sumner Economics, chapter one.

This concept of the State owing the citizen doesn't happen.
Everyone has to pay tax, want more money, be worth it.

[jen.n]

I have yet to benefit from Bush's tax cuts. I don't make enough and I am a single filer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080118/ap_on_bi_ge/stimulus_impact_analysis


This approach has already drawn criticism from advocates for the poor who contend that it would leave out millions of Americans who don't earn enough to pay income taxes but do pay Social Security payroll taxes.


Well, I suppose if you don't earn enough to owe or pay any income taxes, you aren't going to benefit from a tax cut. You can't cut ZERO. What do you want? The government to pay you for breathing?

Being a single filer isn't relevant. Not every single filer is poor just because you are.

[Mrs.JockEwing]

I pay taxes, so I should get something back, regardless of how much I paid.

[jen.n]

I pay taxes, so I should get something back, regardless of how much I paid.

Well, then you got nothing to worry about. You'll get a rebate.

Didn't you get the $300 back in 2001 or whenever it was?

[Mrs.JockEwing]

Well, then you got nothing to worry about. You'll get a rebate.

Didn't you get the $300 back in 2001 or whenever it was?

Nope got no $300 check back in 2001.

The problem with this plan is that is cuts out low and middle income people who do pay taxes.

[BJR]

You know, I have a great idea about taxes.

[jen.n]

Nope got no $300 check back in 2001.

The problem with this plan is that is cuts out low and middle income people who do pay taxes.

As in 2001, it will rebate those who paid taxes. Obviously, if you don't pay in, they won't "rebate".




Since the checks were based on 2000 filings, if you paid no income taxes that year, you didn't get a check.

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/itax/news/20020125a.asp

[Mayor Gregory]

... something for nothing is a problem in Western cultures
- born of jealousy, lack of industry, lack of ambition, gimme yours I don't have

... and of course if the "don't haves" actually DID have,
they would NOT share it, and they KNOW that's the truth. hypocrisy.

[mztx71]

Why do some people think that the government owes them a living?

[Mayor Gregory]

(8) "moochy mooch mooch, moochetty mooch mooooch" (8)

[Jack]

Why do some people think that the government owes them a living?

here is the funny thing ... you know how these collectivists and socialists in their little revolutions are always seizing things?

Like Castro seizing farms, Chavez seizing the oil industry etc.

well how did those things get there to be seized in the first place? ... capitalism

Collectivism doesn't create anything because there is no incentive to produce anything because the profits won't belong to the creator

They are always seizing things that already exist and after seizing it ... they run it into the ground because nobody is going to put the government out of business when there productivity decrease

[Jack]

I have yet to benefit from Bush's tax cuts. I don't make enough and I am a single filer.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080118/ap_on_bi_ge/stimulus_impact_analysis

just because you didn't get to move into a mansion doesn't mean you don't benefit from a tax cut

[Robin]

Your thoughts?

I think the one's who need it the most won't get it. Single filers.

Don't forget the married folks who get screwed right off because...."they're married and they both work, so automatically, they're rich"....LOL

[jen.n]

Your check must have been lost in the mail, Mrs.Jock. You know more than anyone how "dumbya" can't get anything right!

[Mayor Gregory]

... maybe the President saw sense and decided to keep
the money from those too lazy / untalented to earn and pay tax, :wiggle:

[CarlD]

A Democrat elected in 2008 = tax hike in 2009.

[BJR]

Bush is a fool if he thinks that tax rebates will help our economy.

He's delusional living inside of a fantasy.

[Mrs.JockEwing]

A Democrat elected in 2008 = tax hike in 2009.

A tax hike is necessary to pay for Bush's mistakes. Unfortunately.

[BJR]

A tax hike is necessary to pay for Bush's mistakes. Unfortunately.

Tax hikes are going to make the economy worse.

Actually any government intervention in the economy in an attempt to save it is going to make it worse.

[BJR]

... maybe the President saw sense and decided to keep
the money from those too lazy / untalented to earn and pay tax, :wiggle:

or maybe he's delusional.

[jen.n]

Bush is a fool if he thinks that tax rebates will help our economy.

That's true. It is an election year gimmick which is why politicians of all persuasions are bidding up the amount.

[Mayor Gregory]

or maybe he's delusional.

experience talking.

[BJR]

experience talking.

that makes no sense.

[Mayor Gregory]

that makes no sense.

experience talking :D

[BJR]

experience talking :D

what doesn't make sense is how you became "Mayor" and for those who voted you to become "Mayor" are idiots!

[Mayor Gregory]

what doesn't make sense is how you became "Mayor"
and for those who voted you to become "Mayor" are idiots!

lack of experience talking :D

[BJR]

Hey, Mayor, you want to go one on one on economic debating? I'll kick your bitchy little ass.

You accuse others of flame-baiting but you're no better than those you criticize.

[Mayor Gregory]

Hey, Mayor, you want to go one on one on economic debating? I'll kick your bitchy little ass.

You accuse others of flame-baiting but you're no better than those you criticize.

Aww Bastard, don't get angry, stay funny, even though you don't mean it :D

[ihtgb]

Hey, Mayor, you want to go one on one on economic debating? I'll kick your bitchy little ass.

You accuse others of flame-baiting but you're no better than those you criticize.

Someone's being a little Mr. Sassypants if I do say so myself.

[BJR]

Someone's being a little Mr. Sassypants if I do say so myself.

Yeah.... well...

[Jack]

Someone's being a little Mr. Sassypants if I do say so myself.

In fact ... I have never seen a member of this forum use so many curse words in my whole time here

[BJR]

In fact ... I have never seen a member of this forum use so many curse words in my whole time here

Maybe I have terretts syndrome?

[CarlD]

Your thoughts?

I think the one's who need it the most won't get it. Single filers.


From my experiences, the people who need it the most are families with 3 or 4 kids, with the wife staying home and struggling on the husbands check.

If your single, you should be better off than large families with several mouths to feed, since you only have to support 1 person.

[CarlD]

Bush is a fool if he thinks that tax rebates will help our economy.

He's delusional living inside of a fantasy.


His previous tax rebates actually DID help the economy !!!

[Carlos]

people who don't have any children get penalized enough. why should the government take into account life style choices - like having children or being married - when deciding the rebate? utter rubbish.

some women wear babies like pashminas. and perhaps i like to play dress up and wear real pashminas, what about that life style choice? why can't that life style choice be susbidized?

if you can't afford children without assistance from the government, then you shouldn't have children. just like i can't buy any more pashminas than i already have - b/c i can't afford them. and b/c they're not always so flattering on me. ;)

:wiggle::cheers:

[BJR]

His previous tax rebates actually DID help the economy !!!

This coming from a guy who thinks SPENDING is one of the biggest indicators of a good economy.

The reason the economy bounced back the way it did is because the Reagan Plunge Protection Team came in and "saved the day"

But still.... the Fed's continued obsession with slashing interest rates and printing money while the dollar collapses is precipitating a financial holocaust.

[CarlD]

The reason the economy bounced back the way it did is because the Reagan Plunge Protection Team came in and "saved the day"

But still.... the Fed's continued obsession with slashing interest rates and printing money while the dollar collapses is precipitating a financial holocaust.


So the experts on all the news and business channels who say the upcoming rebates WILL HELP the economy are all wrong and you're right :confused:

[CarlD]

This coming from a guy who thinks SPENDING is one of the biggest indicators of a good economy.

The reason the economy bounced back the way it did is because the Reagan Plunge Protection Team came in and "saved the day"

But still.... the Fed's continued obsession with slashing interest rates and printing money while the dollar collapses is precipitating a financial holocaust.


sooooo incorrect. :sosad:

[CarlD]

people who don't have any children get penalized enough.

What penalites are you referring to Carlos ????

[Mayor Gregory]

people who don't have any children get penalized enough. why should the government take into account life style choices - like having children or being married - when deciding the rebate? utter rubbish.

some women wear babies like pashminas. and perhaps i like to play dress up and wear real pashminas, what about that life style choice? why can't that life style choice be susbidized?

if you can't afford children without assistance from the government, then you shouldn't have children. just like i can't buy any more pashminas than i already have - b/c i can't afford them. and b/c they're not always so flattering on me. ;)

:wiggle::cheers:

Amen Carlos :D

[jen.n]

people who don't have any children get penalized enough. why should the government take into account life style choices - like having children or being married - when deciding the rebate? utter rubbish.

some women wear babies like pashminas. and perhaps i like to play dress up and wear real pashminas, what about that life style choice? why can't that life style choice be susbidized?

if you can't afford children without assistance from the government, then you shouldn't have children. just like i can't buy any more pashminas than i already have - b/c i can't afford them. and b/c they're not always so flattering on me. ;) So, the people with kids are already getting subsidized by everyone. Then, they also get extra benefits of reduced taxes via exemptions.

:wiggle::cheers:


I agree. The government shouldn't financially reward people to have children (via tax exemptions, welfare, etc.) I think it is enough to provide a free public school system, and programs like education grants, etc that reward results. The school district portion of my annual property tax is larger than what the City government taxes me :eek: :eek: So, they are already getting subsidized by everyone. Then to add to that that their taxes are reduced by the extra exemptions ... that leaves the people without children paying higher rates.

[Kimmekap]

I'm a single mom raising a child by myself. I get NO WELFARE or ANY HELP what so ever! When I had my child I was married to a man with a great income & I worked too. When I left him I knew I would struggle to take care of us, so instead of going on welfare which I could... I got off my ass & I work 2 jobs to keep a roof over our head. I've been working since I was 15 years old paying taxes... I have taxes taken out of my check just like everybody else even though I could claim 2 and keep a little more in my check each week, I don't. I don't get a great amount of taxes back each year with my return & what I do get back usually has to pay off my state taxes, house taxes, car taxes, pet taxes, bills, etc... I'm not partying it up or having a lifestyle so to speak...

As for welfare, I got news for you. The welfare system in the US is being eaten alive by illegal immigrants getting help with the majority of the women not working at all but having babies like rabbits. I worked in social services system for 3 years, the majority of welfare assistances goes to illegals & just pure lazy people... I had mothers who were working themselves to death & just wanted a little break but we couldn't give it to them. These are legal citizens working & paying taxes but we couldn't help our own. Or elderly people just barely keeping themselves cared for who worked like dogs all their life & paid taxes but now they get nothing. Watching these people cry in front of me begging & I could do nothing broke my heart... Yet, here comes someone with a translator paid for by our government who helps them fill out an application, sometimes drives them around & walks out with full benefits... Food stamps, transportation, medicaid, WIC, AFDC, daycare, etc.. The money the illegals make, most of them are not paying taxes, they are not getting prosecuted for non-payment like a legal American would & the money is being sent back to their country to support their families there. It is not staying here in the US to help the economy. A lot of them have multiple alias names & SSN# so you can't really catch them.

As for the public school system, a lot of the grants, taxes & money flowing into the schools is going to programs to assist non English speaking children, hiring bi-lingual teachers, free lunch programs for these kids because if they receive welfare then they automatically get free lunches & breakfasts... I drive my son to & from school everyday, I pay full price for his meals which comes to about $60 a month, pay full price for his daycare, etc... I know this break my seem unfair to a single person but you have no clue what it does for someone like me. I appreciate it so much & it would take a big stress off me in worrying about buying school clothes for my son. I don't stand with my hand out to the government thinking I am owed it. I appreciate it & don't take it for granted or feel deserving of it because I have a child. I didn't have my child as a badge of honor for a tax break, I didn't think I would be a single mom either but I do work very hard to make a difference. I do contribute to this country's economy, I don't abuse the system or take advantage of it...

There is roughly 8.7 million illegal immigrants living in the USA not paying taxes, getting welfare & sending a majority of their money back to their home country to support their families or hold in accounts in case they get sent back to live on. They are crowding our jails & justice systems which we pay taxes on... They are driving cars in most states with no license & no insurance, getting into wrecks causing insurance rates to go up...

The government would give all of us, single or married or with children, more of a break if all of this was not going on to eat up the system. We would all have it just a little bit easier... Plus, if we had a better president in office too... Sorry, had to throw that punch in...

[BJR]

sooooo incorrect. :sosad:

CarlD, you're out of your league. Don't even make an attempt to come out of this the victor.

You'll fail..... miserably.

[BJR]

So the experts on all the news and business channels who say the upcoming rebates WILL HELP the economy are all wrong and you're right :confused:

They're idiots... not experts.

They're experts at being idiots.

[BJR]

So the experts on all the news and business channels who say the upcoming rebates WILL HELP the economy are all wrong and you're right :confused:

all the news and business channel people will tell you that the Federal Reserve is a good thing.

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. - Thomas Jefferson.

[Mayor Gregory]

Wow, Thomas Jefferson is a "news and business channel" person ?

[jen.n]

They should have put all this effort and money into fixing the AMT.

[BJR]

Wow, Thomas Jefferson is a "news and business channel" person ?

No!

Pay attention!