Musings from Dallas Viewers

[Scarlett]

This is a thread dedicated to commentary of Dallas scenes that all members of the forum can contribute to. As members watch throughout the week, they can describe the scene they are watching and leave their thoughts about it. The thread is also open to discussion about various Dallas scenes.

Enjoy

[Kimmekap]

I finished watching Julie Returns the other night & the scene that sticks out to me the most is watching how well Jim Davis played Jock through out the episode. He showed us a look at how the Jock would of acted in his younger days. He was strong, charismatic, strong & commanding. I loved it! I loved watching Miss Ellie too. She was ready to go after her man who she loved so much. I wish more episodes were ran with Miss Ellie & Jock like this one...

[Scarlett]

I finished watching Julie Returns the other night & the scene that sticks out to me the most is watching how well Jim Davis played Jock through out the episode. He showed us a look at how the Jock would of acted in his younger days. He was strong, charismatic, strong & commanding. I loved it! I loved watching Miss Ellie too. She was ready to go after her man who she loved so much. I wish more episodes were ran with Miss Ellie & Jock like this one...

It would have been nice to see more of Jock and Ellie's relationship on the show, especially memories of their earlier years together.

[Scarlett]

As wonderful as Ellie and Jock are together, Clayton is a fine second husband, good to her and her family. I just saw a clip of them during their courtship. Clayton was just what Ellie needed to move on with her life and still remember Jock's memory.

Peter has now come over to Southfork to spend the day by the pool. Sue Ellen's expression when Lucy picked up the phone when Peter called earlier was priceless.

Edgar Randolph takes a harsh moral stand against J.R. when he tries to pump him for biding information regarding the offshore tracks. But what Randolph doesn't know is that J.R. will use any means necessary to achieve his goals....even blackmail.

Here's another thing....

Everyone was having fun out by the pool until J.R. came home. There was a definite change in tone, everything went up from up beat and free to quiet and uncomfortable. But J.R. does have that affect on people.

And of course J.R. once again tries to get into Sue Ellen's good graces, but she stonewalls him once again.

Regarding young Charlie....

Charlie reminds me of a very young Laura Ingalls (Melissa Gilbert). She's got the same inflection, wholesome look, way of following her mother around.

[The Lovely Sue Ellen]

I really love the First Kiss between Sue Ellen and Dusty
and I really like the line
"Dusty i'm not ready to fly...I'm still learning how to walk."
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r164/lindagrayfan/Season2/297.jpg

[MsTexas73]

Everyone was having fun out by the pool until J.R. came home. There was a definite change in tone, everything went up from up beat and free to quiet and uncomfortable. But J.R. does have that affect on people.

Like a big dark cloud...heavy with rain...shadowing over the sunny Texas Plain.



Regarding young Charlie....

Charlie reminds me of a very young Laura Ingalls (Melissa Gilbert). She's got the same inflection, wholesome look, way of following her mother around.


But Laura was a bit more independent.

[Scarlett]

Eric Farlow does have his cute moments. I just saw the scene where he ran into Pamela's room and woke her up.

And...

Ew, Jerry Kenderson sighting, the first as he gives Mark Graison a consult about his weakening body. He doesn't seem that harmful at first - until he makes a play for Mrs. J.R. Ewing in the Dream Season.

[jen.n]

I just finished S4 ep.21 "New Beginnings". Damn! Sue Ellen gets around! lol

[Scarlett]

Finally, a juicy Ellie scene. Clayton comes storming to Southfork angry as a bull and demands to know why Ellie called off the wedding. She finally lets her feelings out, her fear of being married to another man, her issues with her mastectomy (a story line which was forgotten too quickly). BBG is really talented and it shows. Clayton did a good job too. It was funny seeing J.R. pull a gun on him at the stairs. lol

[Scarlett]

Bobby and Jenna have another talk about Charlie's parentage. He refuses to put the issue to rest, always thinking in the back of his mind that Charlie is his little girl. He wants to believe it because he's desperate for a blood child. As much as Bobby loves Christopher, he knows that he can never be 'his' son.

[Fajita Mel]

I just finished S4 ep.21 "New Beginnings". Damn! Sue Ellen gets around! lol

Ugh....not the Ogden bore. I think that was the episode she dumped him.

[Scarlett]

Here's something you don't see every episode: Miss Ellie has a real conversation with Teresa, as if she were a family member. I think Teresa had more lines in this episode Episode 151: When the Bough Breaks, than any other.

[emmalovesdallas]

Ugh....not the Ogden bore. I think that was the episode she dumped him.

:good:. His character was rubbish and was so off the topic. I'd rather that she'd had another affair with Cliffy!

[kygirl]

Finally, a juicy Ellie scene. Clayton comes storming to Southfork angry as a bull and demands to know why Ellie called off the wedding. She finally lets her feelings out, her fear of being married to another man, her issues with her mastectomy (a story line which was forgotten too quickly). BBG is really talented and it shows. Clayton did a good job too. It was funny seeing J.R. pull a gun on him at the stairs. lol

check out this scene again- when Clayton and Ellie embrace, watch closely whose arms are on top- watch the whole scene

[Scarlett]

Donna and Ray are really cute together, they compliment one another so well.

[Scarlett]

Cliff is being obnoxious since he got Gold Canyon 340.

Mandy...I'm getting a girl-next-door vibe from her and I don't know why. Of course, she isn't the evil witch who goes after women's husband's yet. Right now she just hangs around Cliff like a rag doll.


Okay, scratch the girl-next-door: Mistress Mandy is disgustingly fawning over Wendell just because Cliff wants her to get information. A woman who uses her body to get info from men. What do we call such people? lol

Her skirt is several inches too short (no class, a common girl), and she definitely seems like the gold digging type. She latched onto Cliff very quickly. Cliff and all of his money. And when she found out he wasn't spending any of it on her....she went to someone else.


The girl next door was when she was playing nice with Pam, pretending to be all concerned about her welfare, losing Mark and Bobby. But we all know that she drops her friendship with Pammy when she hooks up with J.R.

[Fajita Mel]

Mandy...I'm getting a girl-next-door vibe from her and I don't know why. Of course, she isn't the evil witch who goes after women's husband's yet. Right now she just hangs around Cliff like a rag doll.

Girl-next-door, yes, but still high maintenance. What's so bad about staying in and eating Chinese food?

But I do agree with what you're saying. To me it seemed like they changed her rather quickly.


What do we call such people? lol
Uh oh....stand by for a troop movement.

[Scarlett]

Girl-next-door, yes, but still high maintenance. What's so bad about staying in and eating Chinese food?

But I do agree with what you're saying. To me it seemed like they changed her rather quickly.

:)

Someone understands me. Writer's tried to make Mandy nice, a compatriot for Pam and a love interest for Cliff. But when they made her an adulteress that all changed.


And yes, Mandy is very high mantantice, she wants to be in a relationship that's all about her, all take and no give.

[Scarlett]

One more question, this is about Deborah Sheldon. She got billing after the opening credits right away (rather than ending credits like most guest stars). Did Sheldon do anything huge before Dallas? Or was it because she became a secondary character right away?

[Scarlett]

Cliff is such a big shot with Wendell, he should know better than to declare war with one of the major power players in the Oil Industry. As mentioned by Wendell's coworker, Dave Stratton, 'he is a hot head' lol

[Fajita Mel]

One more question, this is about Deborah Sheldon. She got billing after the opening credits right away (rather than ending credits like most guest stars). Did Sheldon do anything huge before Dallas? Or was it because she became a secondary character right away?

Well she was in this movie called "Body Double" in 1984 and apparently that's what she was best known for before Dallas besides her Miss USA win in 1970.

[Scarlett]

Okay quoteworthy:

Cliff: Mandy this place is a mess!

Mandy: So what do you want me to do, clean it up?

Cliff: I don't what else you do around here.

Mandy: Be serious

Cliff: It just seems that you've got enough time to keep this place looking a little nicer.

Mandy: You just turned down a big deal from Weststar, can't you afford a full time maid?

*****

Mandy: You are such a tightwad I don't know how anyone could turn down so much money.

Cliff: There's a difference between being cheap and knowing the value of a dollar.

*****

Cliff: You're supposed to make the coffee, and you're supposesd to keep this place cleaned up.

Mandy: I'll do it as soon as you leave.

Here's what she does: She gets on the phone and calls a daytime maid service. Afton put up with crap from Cliff for over a year, and Mandy can't even clean an apartment.

[Scarlett]

Early Morning Musings

Ellie's wedding, Pam is absent after hearing from a careless Jenna that she and Bobby are getting married. Pam has a lot to deal with right now: Mark's death, Katherine's manipulations, losing Bobby, Jenna mentioning her losing Bobby...in a weak moment, Pam confides in young Christopher, who apparently seems to be her only ally. It's moments like these when I miss miniseries Pam (we saw a flash of her when she slapped sister Katherine). She let Jenna get away with announcing the engagement, no witty comebacks, or self assuring smile. She's broken hearted, stripped of her spirit, striped of what made her wonderful in the miniseries. Of course it's hard to be brave when faced with so many adversities, but miniseries Pam conquered family politics, a miscarriage, and a new marriage all with her spunk in tact.

Back to Ellie's wedding....

Lucy's a bridesmaid, imagine being a bridesmaid in your grandmother's wedding. She is bridesmaid number three, the first one to go out of the house. Donna is second as bridesmaid number two, and Sue Ellen appears to get the title of matron of honor, being the final member of the wedding party outside of the bride to go down the aisle. I would have assumed that the role of matron of honor would have been given to Donna, whom Ellie has done most of her confiding in regarding Clayton, but Donna doesn't get the special title, it belongs to Sue Ellen. Is it because she's known Sue Ellen the longest? Because she was closest to Clayton?

Ellie keeps her elegant down home appearance in her dress suit and jacket, wearing pearls around her neck. It was sweet seeing Bobby and J.R. walk her down the aisle.

What was even sweeter? J.R.'s little comment to Sue Ellen about how she 'looked like a bride herself'. Of course, his behavior regarding Peter negates his tender action, but still take a moment to bask in it. :)

[Kimmekap]

Early Morning Musings

Ellie's wedding, Pam is absent after hearing from a careless Jenna that she and Bobby are getting married. Pam has a lot to deal with right now: Mark's death, Katherine's manipulations, losing Bobby, Jenna mentioning her losing Bobby...in a weak moment, Pam confides in young Christopher, who apparently seems to be her only ally. It's moments like these when I miss miniseries Pam (we saw a flash of her when she slapped sister Katherine). She let Jenna get away with announcing the engagement, no witty comebacks, or self assuring smile. She's broken hearted, stripped of her spirit, striped of what made her wonderful in the miniseries. Of course it's hard to be brave when faced with so many adversities, but miniseries Pam conquered family politics, a miscarriage, and a new marriage all with her spunk in tact.

Back to Ellie's wedding....

Lucy's a bridesmaid, imagine being a bridesmaid in your grandmother's wedding. She is bridesmaid number three, the first one to go out of the house. Donna is second as bridesmaid number two, and Sue Ellen appears to get the title of matron of honor, being the final member of the wedding party outside of the bride to go down the aisle. I would have assumed that the role of matron of honor would have been given to Donna, whom Ellie has done most of her confiding in regarding Clayton, but Donna doesn't get the special title, it belongs to Sue Ellen. Is it because she's known Sue Ellen the longest? Because she was closest to Clayton?

Ellie keeps her elegant down home appearance in her dress suit and jacket, wearing pearls around her neck. It was sweet seeing Bobby and J.R. walk her down the aisle.

What was even sweeter? J.R.'s little comment to Sue Ellen about how she 'looked like a bride herself'. Of course, his behavior regarding Peter negates his tender action, but still take a moment to bask in it. :)

Worse than being the bridesmaid at your grandma's wedding, having to throw your grandma's bacherolette party the night before too! :eek: Miss Ellie grinding with the male strippers, doing jello shots & opening those naughty gifts!!!

I always think Miss Ellie reminds me of Barbara Bush with her dress look & the pearls too.

[Vote4Cliff]

Okay quoteworthy:

Cliff: Mandy this place is a mess!

Mandy: So what do you want me to do, clean it up?

Cliff: I don't what else you do around here.

Mandy: Be serious

Cliff: It just seems that you've got enough time to keep this place looking a little nicer.

Mandy: You just turned down a big deal from Weststar, can't you afford a full time maid?

*****

Mandy: You are such a tightwad I don't know how anyone could turn down so much money.

Cliff: There's a difference between being cheap and knowing the value of a dollar.

*****

Cliff: You're supposed to make the coffee, and you're supposesd to keep this place cleaned up.

Mandy: I'll do it as soon as you leave.

Here's what she does: She gets on the phone and calls a daytime maid service. Afton put up with crap from Cliff for over a year, and Mandy can't even clean an apartment.

:good:

[Scarlett]

Lucy works at the Hot Biscuit - where Valene worked - under the name Cooper, because she wants to do something for herself. Okay, that's believable. But what's crazy is the fact that every patron of the Hot Biscuit and the management don't recognize her as a Ewing. This family is always in the news papers, their lives are an open book, she had a big wedding a few years ago, and no one can place her at all. The Ewings are celebrities in Dallas, but apparently there are still citizens that live under a rock and can't recognize them. Eddie Cronin has to see her license plate before he puts the connection together, and even then he doesn't know how wealthy or prominent the family is.

Cliff is being a jerk to Pam yet again over the Mark issue. The guy that she's in cahoots with bears a striking resemblance to Oswald Valentine (yet another Dallas example of one actor playing two roles). He is being downright cruel and rude to her, forcing Joe Don onto her and thrusting her out of the house. I know that Cliff loves his sister, but he has got some funny ways of showing it. Even though Cliff loves her, he continues to put himself first in no matter what he does, whether he's down on his luck or on top of the world.

As many have said before, Donna Reed turns Ellie into a more glamorous matriarch, stripping her of her simple home-down charm. She really isn't the worst actress in the world, but when you have legions of fans that expect one actress to portray one character, and they are given someone else, there is guaranteed to be resentment. It's a pity that Donna Reed was hurt in the process, she never should have been brought on in the first place. How difficult would it have been to keep Ellie away for a year? If BBG had no intention of coming back EVER AGAIN, then I could see recasting, or even writing her off. But to bring someone in only to let them go a year later, it says a great deal about TPTB at the show.

[Scarlett]

Victoria Principal has had her moments of glory on Dallas and I have seen one of them. When Pamela heard that Bobby was marrying Jenna at the Oil Baron's Ball from J.R., she had no words, just a look of pure devastation that struck me to the core. Some instances don't require dialogue, and this was one of them. No dialogue was needed to convey Jenna's joy and lack of awareness of Bobby's feelings that night. One look from Bobby to Pam and you knew that he felt her pain, that he loved her still after all of these years and it never stopped.

[Chris2]

Victoria could really rise to the occasion when necessary - the scene you describe is one of them; Bobby's deathbed scene is another.

[jen.n]

Lucy works at the Hot Biscuit - where Valene worked - under the name Cooper, because she wants to do something for herself. Okay, that's believable. But what's crazy is the fact that every patron of the Hot Biscuit and the management don't recognize her as a Ewing. This family is always in the news papers, their lives are an open book, she had a big wedding a few years ago, and no one can place her at all. The Ewings are celebrities in Dallas, but apparently there are still citizens that live under a rock and can't recognize them. Eddie Cronin has to see her license plate before he puts the connection together, and even then he doesn't know how wealthy or prominent the family is.

I think it is believable that people don't know what a Ewing looks like. Think about some famous families you are aware of. Do you know what their nieces look like? Would you recognize them in a waitress uniform? Not that the Ewings would be even close to their level of fame, think about whether most people would be able to recognize all the Kennedy extended family's children and cousins and nieces/nephews that aren't in politics or haven't been arrested. Would anyone recognize the niece of the CEO of ExxonMobil?

I think people would be more likely to recognize Lucy from seeing her in a magazine from when she was Miss young Dallas and when she modelled.

[Oil Baroness]

Well she was in this movie called "Body Double" in 1984 and apparently that's what she was best known for before Dallas besides her Miss USA win in 1970.

I remember her on TV commercials for a country music radio station before she joined the cast of Dallas.

[Chris2]

The year before she did "Dallas", Deborah Shelton was in a very good series called "The Yellow Rose". Essentially, they took the concept of the Texas oil/ranching family and set it in San Antonio. The main family was more working class than the Ewings, and the rival family wanted to take over their ranch because there was oil underneath it. Deborah Shelton played the (nice) daughter of the villain, who was romantically involved with the son of the main family (hey - where have we heard that before?). Sam Elliott and Cybill Shepherd were in it, too. It was obviously inspired by "Dallas", but had a much more down-to-earth tone; it got some critical acclaim and deserved more than 22 episodes. Ms. Shelton was actually pretty good in it - her character was strong and independent, and much better fleshed out than Mandy.

[Scarlett]

Okay, at a late last lunch with Serena, J.R. calls Mandy 'the prettiest woman he's ever met'. How many women did he say that to? I'm fairly certain that he said the same thing to Sue Ellen. I know he never said it to Afton Cooper. Did he ever say it to Kimberly Cryder or Vanessa Beaumont? Or any other random girl friend?

Ray and Donna Scene: The Two are looking through Sam Culver's old papers for a copy of the document that Jamie has that can split Ewing Oil.

Donna: I just want to keep on looking.

Ray: Not tonight. Or you're gonna be minus one husband.

Donna: Oh Ray.

Ray: Come on. I've had it.

Donna: You promise that we will come back here first thing in the morning?

Ray: It's gonna be right there in the morning.

Donna: Cross your heart?

Ray: Cross my heart.

Cliff and Mandy discuss evening plans.

Cliff: Help me make some dinner

Mandy: Oh Cliff, we're not gonna eat here again tonight.

Cliff: Yeah, I got some chicken I want to heat up.

Mandy: I want to go out, someplace nice.

Cliff: We can do that any time. I want to fix something here, hand out, watch a little TV together.

Mandy: You know, you could take a lesson from your friend J.R. He may be a killer in business, but he knows how to treat a lady.

Cliff: You're not failing for that champagne and caviar bit?

Mandy:It's nice to be spoiled sometimes, and it's not like you can't afford it.

Cliff: Sure I can afford it, I just don't want to spoil you. I don't want to change the simple, sweet girl you were when I first met you. Come on, make some salad dressing, please?

You can see why the two did not have a long term relationship. Much as I dislike Mandy, she made valid points with Cliff about being treated kindly. Cliff was never really considerate with the women in his life, he even tried to manipulate Pam by having her search for Mark Graison to keep her from Bobby.

*****

Jamie's confrontation with J.R. over his lunch with Serena. Harrison does her best, but I keep seeing Cindy Snow from 3's Company. So right now you have Cindy, trying to be all tough and harsh like J.R, and I can't help but smile. Of course Sue Ellen hears the discussion, and she once again takes a room for herself. If you include the Dream Season, she's able to keep her own room for over a year, since it was a dream, she gets back with him much quicker.

Sue Ellen: Congratulations, you had a wonderful day for yourself. You got rid of Jamie, and you got rid of me. I hope she fights you for Ewing Oil and I hope you lose, because then you'll know exactly how I feel tonight.

[MsTexas73]

Lucy works at the Hot Biscuit - where Valene worked - under the name Cooper, because she wants to do something for herself. Okay, that's believable. But what's crazy is the fact that every patron of the Hot Biscuit and the management don't recognize her as a Ewing. This family is always in the news papers, their lives are an open book, she had a big wedding a few years ago, and no one can place her at all. The Ewings are celebrities in Dallas, but apparently there are still citizens that live under a rock and can't recognize them. Eddie Cronin has to see her license plate before he puts the connection together, and even then he doesn't know how wealthy or prominent the family is.



They should have AT LEAST recognized her as Miss Young Dallas....BUT as often as THE WHOLE FAMILY was in the Dallas Press...she should have been slightly recognized by then.

[Scarlett]

Here's a scene:

SE: Why don’t you pour one for me, I know you’re not used to drinking alone.

JR: You must be joking Darlin’. You know you don’t drink.

SE: You have no idea how close I came to starting up again. I sat in a bar for an hour staring at a double vodka. Thinking about Jamie, you, our lives.

JR: But you didn’t drink did you.

SE: No, because in the end you weren’t worth it. I drove around for a while, trying to decide what I was going to do when I got home.

JR: Darlin’ I explained that little misunderstanding.

SE: Didn’t you? I almost chose to believe you rather than leave you.

JR: Oh Sue Ellen.

SE: Oh don’t do that, nuh uh. Because I have earned the right to be here. God knows that I have paid the price for that privilege. Jamie really made me look at myself today, and I didn’t like it. And I didn’t like our charade, pretending we can be happy together.

JR: We can be Darlin’, honestly.

SE: Never. I am moving into Jamie’s old room, I am going to stay here to protect my son. But don’t you ever come near me. You do what you want, when you want, but don’t you ever explain anything ever to me again. Because I don’t care anymore.

How fantastic for Sue Ellen to wake up and realize that J.R. isn't worth drinking over. Sadly, when John Ross has trouble with his appendix, J.R. blames her, and Sue Ellen begins to drink yet again.


******

Cliff is being such a manipulative cretin to Jamie. She doesn't want to hurt the Ewings (except J.R.), she knows they are her family, that she is one of them. But a few little words from Cliff about their daddies and making their lives worth something has Jamie all set for revenge.

Cliff ends up going on to marry her, so he can get her supposed one third of Ewing Oil. It isn't until the Dream Season that we see him show any love for wife Jamie Ewing Barnes.

[MsTexas73]

John Ross was her weakness at this point...her guilt from when he was a baby never left her really...and so she was always trying to make up for that...so to hear that she was a bad mom...coupled with not being in a REAL AA program...that did it.

[Vote4Cliff]

I think romancing Jamie & marrying her was the meanest thing Cliff ever did! But she HAD to have at least suspected his motives, don't you think? He was so transparent about the whole thing. I always wonder why she fell for it.

Random musing: Why is it called "THE Southern Cross" but Southfork is not called "THE Southfork" ?

[MsTexas73]

sometimes certain people refer to it as the Southfork...

BUT I like it as just Southfork...because the ranch was a character in itself in it's own way...a motif if you like.

[Scarlett]

Battle of the Ex’s, Ex girlfriend, ex boyfriend, ex business partners, ex family...

JR: Well lookie here, birds of a feather, plotting an assassination are you, or are you trying to steal someone else’s company.

Jordan. :You’ve got no call to talk like that J.R.

JR: Really, well Marilee, I see you and Jamie have made up. Planning a midnight swim later?

Cliff: Shut up J.R.

J.R.: Jamie, you sure found yourself some prime company.

Jamie: I sure prefer it to yours.

J.R.: Oh really, well you know what they say. Losers tend to flock together.
Cliff: Ah, like the little lady your with huh?

Mandy: Cliff!

Cliff: I always heard you were a big spender, J.R. Tell me, how much did it cost you to have her throw me over?

JR: Oh that was for free, all she had to do was hang around with you for a while.

Cliff: Oh is that so? Well your welcome to her, considering the number of nights she spent at my place you can have my leftovers.

Mandy: You miserable worm (Mandy gets a good punch at Cliff)

Cliff: Oh well you’ll find out how much better you were with me, than what you’ve got there.

JR (Laughs and punches Cliff, sending him out of his chair)

Jordan: (Helping Cliff up) That was a rotten thing to do.

Jamie: I should have known that you’d throw a sneak punch.

Mandy: Why don’t you stay out it, you caused all this trouble to begin with!

Jamie: Don’t start with me, I can hit a lot harder than he does.

Cliff: (To J.R.) You bastard!

Jordan: Now Cliff let’s stop this.

Jamie: Yeah, cause he’s not worth it.

Cliff: You’re right, he’s not.

J.R.: Well enjoy your champagne, I hope you paid for it Barnes. I think we’ll be moving along.

[Scarlett]

Deliverance and Swan Song...what a pair.

Cliff marries Jamie in order to get control of his two thirds of Ewing Oil in an earlier episode, he is at his worse and I feel disgust for the character. He rushes through the wedding, depriving Jamie of a beautiful wedding that should be hers by right, but she gets some rushed shindig with Pam, Jeremy, Jackie, a justice of the peace, and Mr. Wonderful himself. At least Pam sees through part of it, but she doesn't act on it, which frustrates me.

Jenna's out of prison, putting the kibosh on Bobby and Pam's sweet reunion...but don't worry, it doesn't last. Those two belong together, it's in the stars.

Who narrates the opening to Dallas on Swansong. It's one of the only 'previously on Dallas'' SoapNet gives. Did they do it because it's the season finale, why not do it for all season finales?

In Deliverance, Mandy says that she's worried about Sue Ellen. J.R. tells her not to worry and that she will be out of their lives very soon. I don't believe Mandy's 'I'm worried' for a minute. She continues the affair, pushing J.R. to let Sue Ellen go so that she (Mandy) can get on Southfork. One thing to say about Mandy is that she is relentless, and like J.R., campaigns very hard for what she wants. Of course Sue Ellen, when sober, does the same thing.

Swansong.

J.R. makes promises to Mandy about getting Sue Ellen off The Fork while Mandy punches on a pear. He feeds her lines about being 'all about the chase', until he met her. Now I feel sorry for Mandy, who is falling for his lines in the same way Sue Ellen had so many times before.

Jenna has a new hairdo now that she's out of prison. She wants to marry Bobby, but Bobby belongs to Pam. Her time in prison left Bobby wide open and Pam took every second she could get, not that Bobby minded. VP does excellent as she sighs in bed, reading about Bobby and Jenna in the newspaper, it doesn't always take a lot to make a scene work.

[MsTexas73]

Sure doesn't...I think that as far as STORY goes...s7 was pretty decent...and esp the Jenna/Bobby/Pam


Good observations about the WT too!

[Fajita Mel]

Now I feel sorry for Mandy, who is falling for his lines in the same way Sue Ellen had so many times before.
lol Don't! She let herself down by not wising up. Sue Ellen falling for JR's lines time and time again is a whole other can of sardines and I can get into that later, but for right now I gotta focus on Mandy. The girl had a pretty face, but did she have any common sense behind it? I mean, she knew how JR operated in the first place. It shouldn't have been such a shock to her when she saw JR come out of Angelica's hotel. Gee, uh, reality check....your man is cheating on his wife with you....and yet you believe that he can be faithful to you in return? How NAIVE can she be? Once a cheater, always a cheater. She KNEW what he was like when she fell in love with him. He left (well, sort of) one woman for another. So what made her think that she was an exception to the rule? Kwitcherbitchin, woman. :rolleyes: Do ALL the people that are the "other man" or "other woman" in their partners' lives not realize this?! I don't really think that Mandy Winger is a homewreckin' ho like others do. I think maybe she's realllllllllyyyyyy confused....and then again maybe she's just not very bright.

I was watching "Dire Straits" earlier this evening. I was amused when Mandy was whining to Cliff about how she felt bad about her method of revenge (do you, now?) and how she was going to tell JR the truth (are you, now?) And then when she was making her tearful plea for JR's forgiveness, all I heard coming out of her mouth was that "wah-wah-wah-wah-wah" sound like Charlie Brown's teacher made. It was like "For God's sake woman, SHUT UP!!!" I had a teacher that once said, "If you were sorry, you wouldn't have done it." Well Mandy 'ol girl, if you were soooooo sorry about your revenge, then you wouldn't have done it. Next time take the high road and find a SINGLE rich dude who won't play games with your heart....after all, you're in Texas! Crude and ranches and exports, oh my!

And how are YOU guys tonight? lol

[Scarlett]

Your post made me smile. :)

Mandy is naive, she's the other woman who believes that the adulterer will leave his wife for her. She believes the lies, the stories. She only got to go to Southfork once - for a Ewing barbeque - and she couldn't even publicly talk to J.R for very long.

Even Pam changed her mind about Miss Winger, once believing her to be decent, she was surprised when Sue Ellen told her she was the 'other woman'. I still don't like the way Mandy dumped her friendship with Pam because she broke up with Cliff. If she really cared for Pam she wouldn't have left her at such a critcal time (she was mourning Mark and Bobby). Yes it would be uncomfortable to associate with your ex-boyfriend's sister, but if she cared really cared she wouldn't let J.R. stand in her way. Her actions lead me to believe that Mandy was a fair weather friend at best, friends when convenient for her, she'll take it away in an instant without any remorse.

Mandy is pretty, but foolish. Wasting time on a married man, who makes false promises is not the way to go. She gets on his bad side by double crossing him with Cliff. J.R. never really forgave her for that. He was too smitten with Sue Ellen to care. Mandy was foolish to believe that J.R. would sacrifice everything he had to bring her into his life. He made no effort to get Sue Ellen off The Fork in the Dream Season, urging her to stay so that John Ross could stay. He expected Mandy to continue to play 'other woman'. If Mandy opened her eyes, she would see that she could do better with another man, and not be reduced to being 'the other woman' but 'the woman'. She sold herself short, obsessing over a man that would be forever unavailable to her.

Mandy foolishly played a pawn in Sue Ellen's scheme with Valentine Lingerie, earning herself the fame she craved, but at what cost? She was duped, she lost J.R., she was defeated by Mrs. J.R. Ewing. Her efforts to come back were not successful, she most likely went on to greener pastures somewhere else.

[Fajita Mel]

Your post made me smile. :)
Well, I actually had a pretty big grin on my face myself the whole time I was writing it. Like I said, I had just watched "Dire Straits" and was shaking my head in humorous disbelief.


Her efforts to come back were not successful, she most likely went on to greener pastures somewhere else.
I wonder whatever became of her? She promised Sue Ellen that she'd "hear from her again", but we never saw her again.

[MsTexas73]

She prolly found some rich producer to sleep with.

[Fajita Mel]

She prolly found some rich producer to sleep with.

lol lol lol

[Scarlett]

You guys are funny.

What if she cleaned up her act, got serious with a guy, only to find out that he was cheating on her with another woman. lol Talk about bad karma.

[Scarlett]

I just saw the scene in season 10 when Donna returns to the Krebbs ranch after politicking in D.C. to find Jenna and Charlie eating with her husband Ray like they own the ranch. Donna came home wanting to talk to her husband, hasn't seen him in forever, and she sees him with another woman: Jenna. I blame the writers for part of this, they really made Jenna unsympathetic, branding her the other woman for the rest of the show, it's not enough she tried to split up Bobby/Pam but here she goes again with Ray and Donna. Schoolgirl Charlie doesn't even say anything, and Jenna's at a loss for words (wonder why lol) when she's caught by Donna. This was a very emotional scene for Ray and Donna. She had the divorce papers, was ready to sign but wanted to see Ray, but Jenna's presence pushed her over the edge. :(

[Ray&Donna]

Scarlett, you are a bit behind the Soapnet schedule, huh?:o No, I agree with you. I'll never for the life of me understand why Katzman dumped Susan in favor of Priscilla, and orchestrated the whole awful pairing of Ray with whatsherface. What a gawdawful pairing, between two actors that had no chemistry. Wow. Still, Susan held her head high through all of it and kept giving it her best.

[Wilddallas]

Hey lets praise the great debbie rennard who played sly ...I wish all secretarys were as loyak and devious as she was

[Jock'sfanclub]

Q: Does anyone prefer the original SF mansion to the later one that we all know from the more recent episodes?

Q2: Does anybody think the original SF mansion is the same house used later-the one that Pam's mother (Mrs. Wentworth) bought and Pam later inherited?

[MickeyTrotter]

I'm sure this has been pointed out, but during the 1984-85 season during the opening credits, Larry Hagman's right-side picture appears on Susan Howard's frame for just a split-second. Interestingly, it's not in every opening that season. You have to wonder how a goof like that could happen. It's kinda funny when you're watching it in slo-mo.