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Mrs.JockEwing
09-24-2007, 11:20 PM
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Just once wouldn't you love for someone to simply show you the evidence for God's existence? No arm-twisting. No statements of, "You just have to believe." Well, here is an attempt to candidly offer some of the reasons which suggest that God exists.

But first consider this. If a person opposes even the possibility of there being a God, then any evidence can be rationalized or explained away. It is like if someone refuses to believe that people have walked on the moon, then no amount of information is going to change their thinking. Photographs of astronauts walking on the moon, interviews with the astronauts, moon rocks...all the evidence would be worthless, because the person has already concluded that people cannot go to the moon.

When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says that there are people who have seen sufficient evidence, but they have suppressed the truth about God.1 On the other hand, for those who want to know God if he is there, he says, "You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, I will be found by you."2 Before you look at the facts surrounding God's existence, ask yourself, If God does exist, would I want to know him? Here then, are some reasons to consider...

1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

2. Does God exist? The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it.
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information... did it come about just by chance? Was it merely biological causes, perfectly forming the right tissue, blood flow, neurons, structure? The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. How does one explain the human brain?

3. Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank dice is something else. What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life cannot arise from non-life. Where did human, animal, plant life come from?

Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.

4. Does God exist? To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God.
This is not to say that if enough people believe something it is therefore true. Scientists, for example, have discovered new truths about the universe which overruled previous conclusions. But as science has progressed, no scientific discovery has countered the numerical likelihood of an intelligent mind being behind it all. In fact, the more science discovers about human life and the universe, the more complex and precisely designed we realize these to be. Rather than pointing away from God, evidence mounts further toward an intelligent source. But objective evidence is not all.

There is a much larger issue. Throughout history, billions of people in the world have attested to their firm, core convictions about God's existence--arrived at from their subjective, personal relationship with God. Millions today could give detailed account of their experience with God. They would point to answered prayer and specific, amazing ways God has met their needs, and guided them through important personal decisions. They would offer, not only a description of their beliefs, but detailed reports of God's actions in their lives. Many are sure that a loving God exists and has shown himself to be faithful to them. If you are a skeptic, can you say with certainty: "I am absolutely right and they all are wrong about God"?

5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
I was an atheist at one time. And like most atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God pursuing us.
Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."8 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."9

What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.10

Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."11 This is God, in action.

Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."12

God does not force us to believe in him, though he could. Instead, he has provided sufficient proof of his existence for us to willingly respond to him. The earth's perfect distance from the sun, the unique chemical properties of water, the human brain, DNA, the number of people who attest to knowing God, the gnawing in our hearts and minds to determine if God is there, the willingness for God to be known through Jesus Christ. If you need to know more about Jesus and reasons to believe in him, please see: Beyond Blind Faith.

If you want to begin a relationship with God now, you can.
This is your decision, no coercion here. But if you want to be forgiven by God and come into a relationship with him, you can do so right now by asking him to forgive you and come into your life. Jesus said, "Behold, I stand at the door [of your heart] and knock. He who hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into him [or her]."13 If you want to do this, but aren't sure how to put it into words, this may help: "Jesus, thank you for dying for my sins. You know my life and that I need to be forgiven. I ask you to forgive me right now and come into my life. I want to know you in a real way. Come into my life now. Thank you that you wanted a relationship with me. Amen."

God views your relationship with him as permanent. Referring to all those who believe in him, Jesus Christ said of us, "I know them, and they follow me; and I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish, and no one shall snatch them out of my hand."14

So, does God exist? Looking at all these facts, one can conclude that a loving God does exist and can be known in an intimate, personal way. If you need more information about Jesus' claim to divinity, or about God's existence, or if you have similar important questions, please email us.

jen.n
09-24-2007, 11:49 PM
Our environment supports human life for now. It hasn't always and there is no guarantee it always will, so I don't accept the fact that it does right now as proof that there is a God, because a real "God" would exist independent of our existence. ... and also would not "need" our recognition or our worshipping it.

jen.n
09-25-2007, 01:39 AM
created our universe, but sustains it today.

:confused: it needs "sustaining"?



The Earth...its size is perfect.

"perfect" for what?



The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

do you know how many planets there are out there that don't support life? what is their purpose?


And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.4

"perfect" for what? does this mean all the other moons that orbit other planets aren't "perfect"?




It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point.

"unusually high" compared to what?



Water is a universal solvent.

that's plain not true lol most people know not every substance is soluble in water.



Water has a unique surface tension.

so do other liquids


Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

LMAO ... if it didn't fish wouldn't be around :confused: come on, people!



Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.6

ummmm... wouldn't it be easier to design beings that can process salt water, or errrrr, not make the oceans full of salt water in the first place, ... being an intelligent designer and all ...


Regardless, these "facts" don't "prove" or "disprove" anything. They are just a subjective description of someone's experience on Earth.

jen.n
09-25-2007, 03:45 AM
Do aliens exist? The design of our surroundings provides ample evidence that aliens exist.

The Earth has large desert areas, perfect for landing large spacecrafts.

We have ten fingers, perfect for counting to ten, and wearing gloves.

We have two ears, perfect for wearing headphones.

Cows are covered with leather, perfect for making shoes and handbags.

Water freezes into ice cubes, perfect for my gin and tonics.


oooo, this game is fun :dancegirl

Pamela Barnes
09-25-2007, 08:11 AM
Well for me there is the concept of 'god' and then as a seperate issues you have Jesus.

I don't dispute that Jesus was a man but I an't take it literally. In the same way I find the bible to be a book of rules to control people when the bottom line are principles that most people should live their life by.

I find the concept of a god hard to fathom, I would love to have a divine moment of believeing.

KANE
09-25-2007, 01:21 PM
Do aliens exist? The design of our surroundings provides ample evidence that aliens exist.

The Earth has large desert areas, perfect for landing large spacecrafts.

We have ten fingers, perfect for counting to ten, and wearing gloves.

We have two ears, perfect for wearing headphones.

Cows are covered with leather, perfect for making shoes and handbags.

Water freezes into ice cubes, perfect for my gin and tonics.


oooo, this game is fun :dancegirl

AND WE ALSO HAVE DRUGS, THAT CAN MAKE YOU BETTER, MAN! DOH.:peace:

jen.n
09-26-2007, 12:02 AM
Six reasons why leprechauns exist:


My irrefutable proof! :thanks:

1. Mint ice cream is green
2. Plants are green
3. my mouthwash is green
4. frogs are green
5. Emeralds are green
6. This post is green!

Carlos
09-26-2007, 02:20 PM
this actually might actually be a very scientific method of proof...

reasons why if there be a god he loves me to drink copious amounts of alcohol:

i love to drink alcohol
alcohol tastes delicious
alcohol makes me feel lovey-dovey
alcohol makes me think others are better looking than they are
alcohol makes me laugh and laugh and laugh


i knew it!!! proof that i should go pour myself a morning mimosa. :exit: :cheers:

jen.n
09-26-2007, 03:22 PM
Alcohol is a more useful solvent than water!
Let's form a religion around alcohol, not water. :cheers:

mztx71
09-26-2007, 06:29 PM
Alcohol is a more useful solvent than water!
Let's form a religion around alcohol, not water. :cheers:

Well apparently Jesus turned water into wine, so who are we to argue? :wiggle:

Afton
09-27-2007, 01:12 AM
Six reasons God doesn't exist:


Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Oh...And Evolution

Laurie!
09-27-2007, 01:29 AM
Six reasons God doesn't exist:


Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Oh...And Evolution


LOL, I'm technically agnostic so I'm one of the last people who should be arguing with this stance but...I've never let what I shouldn't do, stop me from doing what I want to do in the past...so why start now? ;)

Personally, I don't think that the evolution theory is any more credible than the creationist theories. For example, for evolution of living things to occur, it had to begin with a living thing....so, how did the original life get here? When you clip your nails, will those cells evolve to be mini Aftons in a billion years or so?

Afton
09-27-2007, 02:54 AM
When you clip your nails, will those cells evolve to be mini Aftons in a billion years or so?

Whoa, deep, Laurie, LOL!

I don't know if evolution is indeed the right answer (in my opinion we'll never really truly know) but it sure makes more sense to me than the other theories.

Luke
09-27-2007, 01:09 PM
God and Evolution do not have to be sepearte, they both fit for me in my beliefs.

Garrison
09-27-2007, 04:14 PM
Six reasons God doesn't exist:


Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Evolution
Oh...And Evolution


Evolution merely proves creationism wrong, prove to me that God didn't initiate evolution.

There is really nothing to prove that God doesn't exist (let alone does exist)

Darius
09-27-2007, 08:45 PM
Alcohol is a more useful solvent than water!
Let's form a religion around alcohol, not water. :cheers:

Hell, yeah!!!!!:cheers: (d) (b)

Bobthechicken
09-27-2007, 08:55 PM
Evolution merely proves creationism wrong, prove to me that God didn't initiate evolution.

There is really nothing to prove that God doesn't exist (let alone does exist)Evolution "proves" nothing. I could just as easily say that Creationism "proves" evolution wrong. At the end of the day they are both beliefs.

There is no way of proving God exists to the non-believer. You'll all just have to wait and see what happens when you die........and when you're dipping into that lake of burning sulphur.............hmmmm;) :goodbad:

Afton
09-27-2007, 11:15 PM
God and Evolution do not have to be sepearte, they both fit for me in my beliefs.

What obscure religion are you, Luke? lol

jen.n
09-28-2007, 01:30 AM
What obscure religion are you, Luke? lol

There are actually lots of people who both believe in (a generic) "God" and "evolution" ... "God" can create the conditions under which evolution occurs.

Afton
09-28-2007, 01:55 AM
Oh like the Christian schools here? They are taught the correct way that things exist and how they are made but are also taught that God made it that was as well.

Bobthechicken
09-28-2007, 10:51 AM
You have to define what is meant by "evolution". If it is "evolution" in the sense of adapting to environment then there is no problem in having a belief in God and evolution. If, however, "evolution" is taken to be the sudden appearance of life from inorganic matter and the gradual change from simple organisms to man then you cannot believe in that and the existence of God.

jen.n
09-28-2007, 02:49 PM
You have to define what is meant by "evolution".

The original theory as outlined in "The Origin of Species".


If it is "evolution" in the sense of adapting to environment then there is no problem in having a belief in God and evolution. If, however, "evolution" is taken to be the sudden appearance of life from inorganic matter and the gradual change from simple organisms to man then you cannot believe in that and the existence of God.

How is that any less believable than the stuff various religions say occurred?

I don't see how any theory proves or disproves something that transcends (God). It is as absurd as describing the qualities of water and declaring that proves God exists. Anyone can say in response to any theory, "Well, God made it that way".

Mookie
09-28-2007, 04:42 PM
The proof of God's existence can be found in a simple mouse trap.

Bobthechicken
09-28-2007, 08:05 PM
The original theory as outlined in "The Origin of Species".So you have to take your pick....either go along with the theory as outlined in the book or the alternative that life was created by an intelligent being. You can't go for both.


How is that any less believable than the stuff various religions say occurred?Well, as the current commonly accepted theory of life origin is now evolution then, apparently, it isn't any less believable. I would ask the question the other way round and ask how Creation by an intelligent designer is any less believable than a theory that relies on billions to one odds of a chain of events happening. Each to his own though......


I don't see how any theory proves or disproves something that transcends (God). It is as absurd as describing the qualities of water and declaring that proves God exists. Anyone can say in response to any theory, "Well, God made it that way".I agree.

Laurie!
09-29-2007, 12:43 AM
The proof of God's existence can be found in a simple mouse trap.

This made me laugh...I'm almost afraid to ask, but what's the proof? Are you talking about an empty trap, a freshly baited trap, or a recently sprung trap with a fresh kill....what?

By the way, love your quote. :D

Mookie
09-30-2007, 08:30 PM
LOL, alas, tis nothing so profound, just an exercise a college professor gave us once when we were discussing this very topic.

He would say that the proof of an intelligent creator can be found in a simple mousetrap.

And we had like a week to discover why on our own.

And then he'd give his answer, that if you take away one simple thing away from that mousetrap, it no longer becomes usable, no longer becomes a mousetrap, you must have all the components and put them all in the right place, lecture lecture lecture.

Why I always remembered it was because of some of the answers that he read aloud.

Even reminds me of your question, some had the moustrap as God, some had the dead mouse in the mouse trap as God, and in one of them someone had the quote "second mouse gets the cheese".

Sorry, I was just being a smart alec.

Mayor Gregory
09-30-2007, 08:45 PM
Sorry, I was just being a smart alec.

oh don't say sorry for dat ;)

Sonya in Tx
10-01-2007, 04:45 AM
Why God exists? Who ese could have creatd the heavens, earth and living creatures??

Praise the lord!:D

BJR
10-01-2007, 05:18 AM
I believe in a superior intelligence.

Call it whatever you want.

mztx71
10-01-2007, 07:22 PM
I believe in a superior intelligence.

Call it whatever you want.

Mztx71! ;) :wiggle:

joan w
10-02-2007, 04:30 PM
I believe in a superior intelligence.

Call it whatever you want.

The E.F.C. Fan Club. x(*)

Sid Fairgate
10-06-2007, 11:57 AM
Interesting topic. For a long time I considered myself Christian, went to church and the whole bit. However, I can't help but feel that this world makes you more cynical as time goes by. I'm not saying I don't believe in God, but when you observe all the tragedies and injustice in the world, and often feeling at times like we are at the mercy of everything from animals, to nature, and even other humans, being a believer becomes very difficult.

That said, I do still believe in God. I think this world is too complex to have just evolved from nothing. Believing in God also can provide comfort in the hope of a perfect and permanent afterlife. However, it can also provide stress in wondering whether or not we are good enough to make it to that perfect afterlife.

I suppose there can also be some comfort in believing in evolution. The biggest is that there is no creator to blame for what goes wrong in the world, everything happens by chance and things just are how they are. It also eliminates the worry of a fiery torment for not "measuring up" in God's eyes.

Personally, I just try to live my life the best I can and do the best I know how. I certainly had no say in being created, and if there is a God and he decides to send me to hell because I didn't conform to his moral code I guess there is nothing I can do.

I know this may sound cynical to say, but I have a hard time putting my love, faith, and dreams in the hands of a God that gives us no say in being created, yet condems us as sinners and puts us in a world where we have to put up with terrorism, innocent little kids raped and murdered, and natural disasters that wipe out entire towns. Heaven sounds great and all, but why can't our Earthly load be lightened?

There is only one way to find the answer to the great evolution/creation debacle, but fortunately it is an answer we all will recieve someday!

Sid Fairgate
10-06-2007, 12:16 PM
I just realized there is a name for what I believe: agnostic theism!

Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know existence of God or gods, but still believe in such an existence. An agnostic theist would say "I don't know, but I think so."